• Stephanie

    How do you know that the EDL attacked the mosques? Only saw in news that they were actually invited in for tea and football at a Northern Mosque. What about an interview with their leader Robinson(?) in the Backbencher? Saw one on twitter and he came across as pretty reasonable, but then it might have been a PR trick…

    • Gary Rayton

      who else would have attacked the mosques , obviously someone far right group , if the cap fits they will wear it , i have seen numerous tweets and fb posts in the last week or two , from edl/infidel members stating lets go bash some P***s and burn their mosques , suspicious if nothing else.

      • Brimstone52

        What makes you think it was members of a group or groups who carried out the attacks?

      • wonkotsane

        EDL, BNP, NF, Combat 18, angry drunk soldiers, friends of the victim …

        • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

          Why would you place the last example with the first five? There is no correlation between right wing nutters or pissed and enraged squaddies brandishing molotov cocktails toward innocent people and the friends of Lee Rigby. And where are the non-partisan, peaceful citizens expressing their sympathy in amongst your considerations? Do they not exist until election time or something and meantime you’re only interested in recruiting a neo-stermabteilung? (oops-’godwins law’ again! You are no longer obliged to qualify your bullshit rhetoric, apparently) Seriously though- do you UKIPpers have some kind of semantic or syntactical literacy issues while using the internet or are you all actually prejudiced xenophobes with so poor social skills that every second sentence cotains a Freudian slip?

          • wonkotsane

            You asked who else apart from EDL would do it, I gave you an example of 5 groups of people who might be motivated to do it as you don’t seem to have the imagination. It probably was EDL supporters but if the police know they haven’t said yet.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

            I asked nothing of the sort- you were replying to Brimstone. The biggest clue is that they were on the EDL march… the march that the EDL organised ffs. How explicitly prejudiced do people have to be before you’ll accept it? I’m dismayed that you’re a councillor. Judging by your reaction to people who disagree with your ridiculously apologist, quasi-fascist stance I sincerely hope UKIPpers never end up in positions of power and influence.
            I’m friends/acquaintences with people who support/vote groups like UKIP and the EDL- I know lifelong labour voters, left leaning political activists, anarchists, socialists and all out commies and everything in between- we regularly have peaceful and productive debates without resorting to name calling and/or questioning one anothers cognitive ability. This is mainly because we have an understanding that fundamentally we are all motivated by our concerns for other people and have nothing to hide.
            However, because of this ‘conversation” I have decided to do everything I can to ensure my children do not inherit a country goverened by backwater hickoids such as the throwbacks in your party. If I was farage I’d ban the lot of you from using social media because much like other far right groups (BNP most notably) you’re your own worst enemy. What a set of prejudiced, small minded clowns you’re revealing yourselves to be.

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      • Stephanie

        Thanks Alex, the link is great. I agree with him about Sharia law, as it is already practised in parts of the UK by many Muslim communities. He actually said in his recent interview on twitter that he has Muslim friends and is not against Muslims, but afraid that they are taking over working class communities w/building of many mosques and practising Sharia law.
        Well, it is interesting to hear the other side.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

      EDL terrorists petrol bombed a mosque near to where I live- that was in the news, I believe. Whatever the EDL’s original intention (standing against islamic extremism, allegedly), the ‘movement’ has been hijacked by small minded bigots and knuckle dragging thugs with connections to groups such as BNP, NF, Combat 18 and Blood & Honour, all of whom are unashamedly extremist.

      • Stephanie

        You are probably right. In this interview I saw w/ Robinson he was asked about the thugs, and he answered that there were diff. groups in the EDL. I guess he doesn’t have control over these people. He seemed to me different from the ordinary BNP thugs.

        • wonkotsane

          I think the EDL is more of a banner than a coherent group, like Al Qaeda. They do stuff in the name of EDL/Al Qaeda but there’s no real central command directing them.

      • wonkotsane

        The EDL have radicalised themselves which is quite ironic. However, there is a disparity in reporting of these things. It was days before the BBC reported the defacing of a war memorial with the word “Islam” but they were reporting violence attributed to the EDL (rightly or wrongly – I don’t know) as it happened. When the news of the attack was unfolding the BBC were careful not to describe the attackers making it absolutely obvious that the attackers were either black or muslim and in this case they were both. It’s the same with UAF who are a bunch of vicious, fascist thugs – they attack police, they use weapons to attack EDL marches but the media blacks it out. I’m not an EDL supporter any more than I support the fascist UAF or Islamic preachers, I just wish the media would report these things evenly and idiot bloggers like this muppet “Milton” stopped telling lies to try and attract visitors.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

          I was under the impression the BBC made an apology for describing the suspects as ‘of Islamic appearance’ during the initial coverage? I could be wrong as I don’t watch TV, but I’m certain I read something along those lines that a few days later. I’ve heard a lot about the UAF links to extremist Islamic groups too and also a lot about EDL being a Zionist funded group. I’m not sure what I believe in either case, (seems a bit conspiratorial, but then I suppose the whole thing stems from conflicting zionist/islamic theocracy), but I don’t affiliate to groups in any context, let alone rival petty minded street fighters. I’m opposed to the notion of working class people fighting each other on behalf of the ruling class or tinpot tyrant wannabes, so I avoid all that in favour of cohesive communal/grassroots strategies.
          Apologies for only just seeing this comment, I was busy on another thread trying to strike up a debate with this complete and utter… oh, it’s you ;)

        • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

          ps- I always find it amusing that the right accuse the media of being left bias and vice versa. I think this adequately demonstrates the seige mentality of habitually delusional and paranoid people under the imagined duress of ubiquitous conspiracy. It is very primordial when you think about it; believing in outside forces dictating fate and destiny That’s partly why I don’t bother with the ‘left/right paradigm’ anyway, because they’re as bad as each other- turn far enough either way and you’ll end up in the same spot… like Stalinism and Na… that other ideology ;)

  • MikeRees

    UKIP, or 1 UKIP member?

    • wonkotsane

      One UKIP member making personal comments on his personal Twitter account, nothing to do with the party.

      • Sarah

        There might be a big difference between the two but still..

        You can’t blame a whole society , nation, religion, party based on one or two ” idiots”

        That what you mean right?

        So don’t blame Muslims as well!

        My comment is not directed to you , it’s for everyone who might visit this page!

        How many Brit was killed by a Brit or Brits?! No one has said that all Brits are murderers! No one even makes a fuss about those horrible crimes and murders! Aren’t they innocent people too??!

        Why is it so different when it comes to Islam and Muslims!

        I really condemn the nasty murder of Rigby but I just want to let you know or remind you that the media wants you to hear , read and believe what it wants ! So I hope you be smarter than it!

      • irvine.

        If it’s his personal Twitter account it’s pretty retarded to have UKIP at the end of his name.

        • wonkotsane

          I could put “Labour” or “Conservative” at the end of my name on Twitter, I still wouldn’t be representing those parties.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

      1 UKIP member out of a whole brood of small minded wankers. How many more ‘gaffes’ like killing disabled kids and blatant racist opinions do UKIP have to make before shit scared wankers stop believing they have benign or ‘patriotic’ intentions? They’re worse than the tories ffs- they will literally sell this country to the highest bidder and turn the entire flag waving fuckwit populace into slaves ‘for queen and country’- and this has been made possible because the same populace seem quite happy to be arse raped by banks, politicians and corporations while blaming every social ill on benefit claimants and immigrants.

      • wonkotsane

        I’m a UKIP councillor, can you explain what makes me a small minded wanker? Looks to me like you’re a small-minded, potty-mouthed lefty.

        • Chesapeake

          The fact that you’re in UKIP?

          • wonkotsane

            Ok, so that’s one dickhead who just says things and can’t back them up. Does anyone have an explanation of why all 28,000 members of UKIP are small minded wankers?

          • Chesapeake

            ” Does anyone have an explanation of why all 28,000 members of UKIP are small minded wankers?”

            No, it’s a complete mystery!

          • UKSteve

            Oh yes, well countered there.

            He askes a perfectly seriosu and valid question, and your answer is ‘Haven’t a clue’.

            Real f’ing brains trust, this blog.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

          Lefty? You’re barking up the wrong ideological tree there, mate. ‘Social democrat’ or ‘anarchist’ might be close when it comes to convenient labels, but I don’t adhere to any particular ‘ism’- in short I’m a ‘people first’ person and imo UKIP are corporate state first with flag flying lemmings doing the dirty work.
          And I didn’t say ALL UKIP members are small minded wankers, in the same way I don’t think every supporter of the EDL is- I said there’s a whole brood of them. Unfortunately whatever good intentions a lot of UKIP or EDL members or supporters may have the uber-right leaning tenets you espouse inevitably attracts the lunatic fringe. It is for that reason I believe a vote for UKIP in our current socio-economic climate is analogous to a vote for Hitler in 1933 Weismar Republic. I believe a lot of UKIP personnel have similar ‘tea party and Empire Day’ intentions.
          Very sorry to hear you have a problem with ‘foul’ language, Mrs Whitehouse ;)

          • wonkotsane

            And there’s the Hitler reference to confirm you have no argument.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

            …and here’s a predictable arsehole using the ‘godwins law get out of having a debate’ clause. Typical politician- absolutely full of shit AND up his own arse. Prat.

          • wonkotsane

            Not getting out of a debate, there isn’t a debate to have. You’re a troll.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

            Oh dear. Straight from the first resort to the second. How can I be a troll when you ‘challenged’ me with a personal attack? Your inability to engage in meaningful discourse says it all really. Bit off more than you could chew- never judge a book by its cover, dimwit. Equally you morons can’t rely on your snakeoil selling, bandwagon jumping orator overlord forever and his mask is slipping. Almost time to say, ‘Bye-bye UKIP’ :D

          • UKSteve

            Clearly he doesn’t have the problem with foul language.

            The point he was making was that you use it instead a reasoning, logic, counterpoint, argument articulacy and a vocabulary.

            And he was right. Just as he was about Godwin’s Law.

            I’d stop digging if I were you.

          • spence72

            As this discussion ended two months ago I’d get a life if I were you.

          • UKSteve

            As you’ve bothered to respond – after 2 months – with your usual brainless bolleaux, I’d donate your computer to charity if I were you.

            Mind you, if you did, we wouldn’t be able to laugh at the pure imbecility of your posts.

          • spence72

            Aw- how can I be mad when you’re so adorable?
            I take immense satisfaction from knowing that my humiliation of you still burns in your heart after this long, ‘UKSteve’- and thanks for reminding me to turn my disqus notifications off.
            Have a very nice day, sir. :)

          • UKSteve

            Well, whatever. The reason I only posted yesterday was that was the first time I saw it. I was hoping you’d worked that out :)

            Cheers.

        • Ben

          Well a good guess as to why some one might consider your party to be small minded is its policies. For one, its position regarding gay marriage.

          Why is it that you support a party which believe it is wrong to allow equal legal recognition for partners, regardless of genders.

      • UKSteve

        Love the way you single quotes to patriotic.

        Tells anyone everything they need to know about you. Your opinions are utterly ignorant garbage – the rantings a 5th rate, self-hating loser.

  • http://twitter.com/AG_ThorpeApps Andrew Thorpe-Apps

    That’s Marty Caine’s political career over then.

    • wonkotsane

      I don’t think he’d have had one in the first place unless he’s going to the BNP or English Democrats.

  • wonkotsane

    A member of UKIP saying something isn’t UKIP saying something is it? This is just typical tabloid trash from a Guido wannabe.

    • irvine.

      Yeah it wouldn’t be fair to blame the entire party for the actions of a couple of nutters WOULD IT NOW?

      • wonkotsane

        Is that relevant to my comment or this (for want of a better word) “story”.

        • irvine.

          To your comment, certainly.

          • wonkotsane

            In what way?

          • irvine.

            In the way that your party makes a point of attributing the actions of a violent minority to the whole of Islam, for a start. But then there’s basing your opinions on Romanians and Bulgarians on the word of ONE Bulgarian monk that Farage once, apparently, spoke to personally.

          • wonkotsane

            When did UKIP attribute the actions of a violent minority to the whole of Islam? Please provide examples.

          • Stylo

            Your argument might have been valid if there hadn’t already been several cases of UKIP Members displaying racism and poor form. This is just another in a string.

            UKIP are a terrible party.

          • IanB

            Farage must be raging round trying to prevent UKIP’s name being associated with this sort of thing all the time just now but the fact is it’s what they think. In time, perhaps they will be able to purge the “off message” voices but right now, they are showing their true colours.

          • Alan Mac

            If all muslims read the same manual for war then they definitely are all to labelled as one. But of course you will not have taken the time to read the Qur’an because a ‘moderate’ muslim told you it was a book of love, right? Does it not concern you that the there are 50 wars across the world going on and every one involves muslim ideology? Does the ethnic cleansing of Christians in the middle east by muslims not matter because they have yet to knock on your door?
            You are the perfect useful idiot for Islam.

  • http://i-squared.blogspot.co.uk/ Katabasis

    What low hanging fruit to pick.

    All testicular fortitude disappears up into the pelvis when it comes to the prospect of actually taking on the far, far more dangerous islamists and their direct links with UAF, doesn’t it? –

    http://hurryupharry.org/2013/06/01/adebolajos-links-with-uaf

  • Tom

    I understand people’s point that this idiot isn’t necessarily speaking on behalf of the whole of UKIP however this does show the types of people who represent UKIP and its utterly stupid policies. Anyone who is defending the EDL should really pay closer attetion to what these idiots stand for. Even if actual EDL members did not take part in the attacks on mosques etc they have encouraged such behavior.

    • Adam

      I don’t see how they have encouraged it,some people just have similar views and don’t want islamization in Britain.if all these ignorant do-gooders actually read some of the koran and the evil that lies within it,they might not be so understanding and benevolent towards muslims.

      • LM

        I’m sorry, you racist bigot. What ‘evil’?

      • Sarah

        Adam! Why don’t you yourself read ALL the quran with open mind and heart and bear in mind the context of each verse and its explanation to realize how beautiful Islam is! You might then know that there is a huge difference between Islam and Muslims! Just try! I am sure you will change your opinion then ! (: x

      • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

        You read the bible, the torah or any of the other fairytale accounts of creation lately, mate? They’re all fairly archaic, completely nonsensical, they all come from the same source and since religion is responsible for around 90% of the conflicts and atrocities throughout history maybe all rational people should be demanding Britain becomes a wholly secular nation?

        • James oldfield

          ‘since religion is responsible for around 90% of the conflicts and atrocities throughout history…’ what a stupid and illinformed comment.

          Let’s look at the 20th century. By all accounts, the 20th century was one of the bloodiest centuries in human history. Two major world wars, which had nothing at all to do with religion, the Jewish Holocaust, and the Communist Revolutions in Russia, China, Southeast Asia and Cuba, have accounted for anywhere between 50-70 million deaths (some estimate upwards to 100 million). The one thing these conflicts and genocides have in common is that fact that they were ideological, not religious, in nature. We could easily make the case that more people have died throughout human history due to ideology than to religion. In the past it was more to do with territory, survival and sheer greed. If anything religion was always a secondary element or useful tool to get the masses going.

          Stop spreading these myths.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lee.whensley Lee Whensley

            Stop spreading myths about religion? Are you serious?
            Okay- say I accept your truncated version of history and that divine fairytales are only secondary causal factors in conflicts, genocides and atrocities (such as Bush and Blair’s ‘christianity/catholocism’) as far as the ‘ruling elites’ are concerened, as you point out religious faith is still the motivational factor in ‘getting the masses going’- without faith a lot of it couldn’t/wouldn’t have happened. Most citizenship and military oaths are declarations to act in the service of god, country and monarch. The USA, driving force of the global war machine, is essentially a nation steeped in and founded upon christian fundamentalism; Israel is a theocracy, the Islamic nations we’re at war with, the fact that Islam is synonymous to ‘terrorism’ in the western mindset, and christianity to ‘imperialism’ in the majority world.
            On an individual level; what better way to get people to sacrifice their lives than through indoctrination? Do you believe people would be so willing to forfeit their one and only life if they knew, as the rulers of the world doubtlessly do, that religion is bullshit and there is no afterlife? I don’t. The promise of ‘reward in heaven’ has cost this world so much; it’s kept workers submissive on factory floors, warriors embittered on battlefields; it has suppressed techonology and waylaid innovation, fostered prejudice and agitated divisions. The negative impact of religion has been so ubiquitous throughout history that it is unquantifiable- the ‘secular’ body count over last century is nothing compared to the effect of their many inquisitions on the bodies and minds of the masses. If not for religion we’d be far more advanced as a species- even today the religious vote trumps political commitments to scienctific funding. How many lives might have been saved if not for this enforced stagnation of developmental evolution? Might we have discovered the cure for cancer by now? Could we have developed methods to end world hunger? Would machines be doing all the work while we focused collectively on greater developments? We’ll never know, thanks to ‘god’.
            Having said all that I have no problem with people of faith, not in the slightest- I truly appreciate the egalitarian and peaceful philosophy that underpins all religion and I have spent a lot of time doing good work with christians, muslims, jews, pagans, agnostics and atheists alike. The problem is not the followers of faith, but the institutions that have been usurped by old war mongering paedophiles in silk robes seated upon golden thrones.
            However, to put this into its original context, my comment was a reply to Adam’s statement regarding Islam being evil. My point was that if Islam is evil by virtue of what is written in the qu’ran then so are all other faiths- so don’t be a pedant ;)

      • MikeRees

        Had -you- read the Qur’an you might be a bit more understanding towards muslims and not tar them all with the same brush you tar terrorists with

    • wonkotsane

      I’m a UKIP councillor, explain to me what kind of person that makes me. Can you also give some examples of stupid UKIP policies?

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    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

  • Robert

    If I can make an observation, The avatar is not the one that Marty Caine has used for a long time. If I was your editor I would be concern and be asking you if actually checked the facts and evidence for your story.

    A young UKIP member carried out a demonstration on twitter showing how easy it was to falsify an account/hack it and tweet on someones behalf. He chose David Cameron’s account and tweeted lots of stuff about how he really liked UKIP and was thinking of becoming a member etc. Quiet an informative lesson. He was smart enough though to put a disclaimer on it.

    • Marty

      It is from Marty, he has admitted it on twitter. Direct link to the post https://twitter.com/Marty_Caine/status/340584107132203008

    • wonkotsane

      It was Marty Caine, he’s been on Twitter all day sealing his fate. He won’t be a member by this time next week.

      On the subject of fake accounts – a Tory activist has been creating loads of them on Facebook and openly admits doing it saying it’s his job. He’s probably on the same payroll as the Tories trying to dig up dirt on UKIPpers.

      • marty

        how did that wont be a member thing work out for you?

  • monkeyface

    Please can you tell us what Caaine’s response was. It looks as if Noodlehands’ question is being treated as Caines’ statement otherwise.

  • Marty Caine UKIP

    Well thank for the kind words in this blog and comments, it has not done much change my view there are a lot of idiots out there. I did not make a direct attack at Lee Rigby’s family, why would I ? I happen to be as angry as anyone is about what happened. The tweet that has caused so much fuss was simply taken out of context and any sensible person can see that. I do however think that the EDL have good reason to protest about the things they do shout about, I just do not think they go the right way about it and there is a nasty thug element there as well. So I do not support the EDL I simply agree with them on things like gangs raping 11 year old girls is wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. That is my opinion and you can either agree with it or disagree but you have no right to tell me I am not entitled to have an opinion.

  • Marty Caine UKIP

    Well thank for the kind words in this blog and comments, it has not done much change my view there are a lot of idiots out there. I did not make a direct attack at Lee Rigby’s family, why would I ? I happen to be as angry as anyone is about what happened. The tweet that has caused so much fuss was simply taken out of context and any sensible person can see that. I do however think that the EDL have good reason to protest about the things they do shout about, I just do not think they go the right way about it and there is a nasty thug element there as well. So I do not support the EDL I simply agree with them on things like gangs raping 11 year old girls is wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. That is my opinion and you can either agree with it or disagree but you have no right to tell me I am not entitled to have an opinion.

  • Marty Caine UKIP

    Well thank for the kind words in this blog and comments, it has not done much change my view there are a lot of idiots out there. I did not make a direct attack at Lee Rigby’s family, why would I ? I happen to be as angry as anyone is about what happened in Woolwich. The tweet that has caused so much fuss was simply taken out of context and any sensible person can see that. I do however think that the EDL have good reason to protest about the things they do shout about, I just do not think they go the right way about it and there is a nasty thug element there as well. So I do not support the EDL I simply agree with them on things like gangs raping 11 year old girls is wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. That is my opinion and you can either agree with it or disagree but you have no right to tell me, I am not entitled to have an opinion.

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  • Richard

    Can you send me links to the confirmed EDL mosque attacks of which you speak?

  • jason parkes

    What a load of rubbish :) you cameronites are continually embarrassing yourselves, he made a sweeping comment NOT directed at Lees family and you should be ashamed of yourself for exploiting Lees family in this way – cheap shot and sick.
    Please lets get UKIP in and create at-least some normalcy in this once great country.

  • Conor Godfrey

    Why should they be immune from criticism? The way this story was named made it look like Nigel Farage himself officially announced that Lee Rigbys family are idiots for having a dead son.
    I thought you were better than this, but maybe not.