3 Things You Didn’t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela

The hero of the anti-apartheid struggle was not the saint we want him to be.

The image of Nelson Mandela as a selfless, humble, freedom fighter turned cheerful, kindly old man, is well established in the West. If there is any international leader on whom we can universally heap praise it is surely he. But get past the halo we’ve placed on him without his permission, and Nelson Mandela had more than a few flaws which deserve attention.

He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them

Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

 




 As President he bought a lot of military hardware

Inheriting a country with criminally deep socio-ecnomic problems, one might expect resources to be poured into redressing the imbalances of apartheid. Yet once in office, even Mandela’s government slipped into the custom of putting national corporatism, power and prestige above its people. Deputy Minister of Defence Ronnie Kasrils said in 1995 that the government’s planned cuts in defence spending could also result in the loss of as many as 90,000 jobs in defence-related industries.

Mandela’s government announced in November 1998 that it intended to purchase 28 BAE/SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft from Sweden at a cost of R10.875 billion, i.e. R388 million (about US$65 million) per plane. Clearly, the all-powerful air armadas of Botswana weighed heavily on the minds of South African leaders…

Not content with jets, in 1999 a US$4.8 billion (R30 billion in 1999 rands) purchase of weaponry was finalised, which has been subject to allegations of corruption. The South African Department of Defence’s Strategic Defence Acquisition purchased a slew of shiny new weapons, including frigates, submarines, corvettes, light utility helicopters, fighter jet trainers and advanced light fighter aircraft.

Below are some of the purchases made, presumably to keep the expansionist intentions of Madagascar at bay…

 

Description

Original Qty

Illustrative total cost

Corvettes

4

R4 billion

Maritime helicopter for corvettes

5

R1 billion

New submarines to replace Daphne

4

R5,5 billion

Alouette helicopter replacement

60

R2 billion

Advanced light fighter

48

R6-9 billion

Main Battle Tank replacement of Olifant

154

R6 billion

Total cost in 1998 Rand

R25-38 billion

 

Mandela was friendly with dictators

Despite being synonymous with freedom and democracy, Mandela was never afraid to glad hand the thugs and tyrants of the international arena.

General Sani Abacha seized power in Nigeria in a military coup in November 1993. From the start of his presidency, in May 1994, Nelson Mandela refrained from publicly condemning Abacha’s actions. Up until the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in November 1995 the ANC government vigorously opposed the imposition of sanctions against Nigeria. Shortly before the meeting Mandela’s spokesman, Parks Mankahlana, said that “quiet persuasion” would yield better results than coercion. Even after the Nigerian government announced the death sentences against Saro-Wiwa and eight other Ogoni activists, during the summit, Mandela refused to condemn the Abacha regime or countenance the imposition of sanctions.

Two of the ANC’s biggest donors, in the 1990s, were Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia . Not only did Mandela refrain from criticising their lamentable human rights records but he interceded diplomatically on their behalf, and awarded them South Africa ‘s highest honour. Suharto was awarded a state visit, a 21-gun salute, and The Order of Good Hope (gold class).

In April 1999 Mandela acknowledged to an audience in Johannesburg that Suharto had given the ANC a total of 60 million dollars. An initial donation of 50 million dollars had been followed up by a further 10 million. The Telegraph ( London ) reported that Gaddafi was known to have given the ANC well over ten million dollars.

 

The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel.  It is tempting, therefore, to simplify the subject by declaring that all who opposed it were wholly and unswervingly good. It’s important to remember, however, that Mandela has been the first to hold his hands up to his shortcomings and mistakes. In books and speeches, he goes to great length to admit his errors. The real tragedy is that too many in the West can’t bring themselves to see what the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal.

1463 COMMENTS

  1. Mandela – they greatest master of PR ever. A man who convinced the entire world he was a hero, whilst he did in fact hold back talks on ending apartheid by nearly 25 years. All he had to do was renounce violence and they could of begun but he wouldn’t.

  2. Why does the wests liberal elite praise a mass murderer of innocent people? He was a Communist revolutionary.

  3. I only became aware of the depth of all this about 10 years ago when a friend who was born in Zimbabwe called Mandela a terrorist. I immediately cast my friend as “institutionally racist” but he cited a case of a bombing of a school bus that I had never heard of. When I did my research and found this to be true, it was one of those pivotal moments in my life and one that helped divorce me from the Left Wing in this country.

    Ironically, growing up in the UK but in an Irish republican tradition, I never ONCE supported the ANC financially via the anti-apartheid movement. My reasoning? I decided if it were wrong for me to support the IRA, it was just as wrong to condone the ANC.

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  6. No Alvin, you don’t have it straight. You should read Mandela’s memoirs in which he affirm that he was consulted and approved on every major act of his terror organization. And by the way, Robben island is hardly isolated. It is about 6km from Cape Town and is and was serviced by a daily ferry service. Of course, under the current command of St. Mandela’s comrades, days may go by without any service. That’s just the nature of the beast.

  7. Let me get this straight, the highlights listed were MAY 20, 1983 to JUNE 3, 1988. Incarcerated JUNE 12, 1964 to NOVEMBER 10, 1990. Prison on an isolated island, so what control did he have on those that were living under apartheid?

  8. Hahahaha, ha ha ha, I’m not even going to comment on this bull shit, it’s Not like Mr Mandela denied all of this, what did you want him to do, kiss your ass while you killing his people, Even Mr Mandela himself always told people that he is not a Saint unless if you think of a saint as a sinner who keeps trying to do good.you should just accept the defeat and move on EFF is on you I tell you, it’s not over yet.

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  10. You do realize all of the acts of violence listed took place when Mandela was in prison.He purchased military hardware? So what? South Africa is a strategic country economically and geographically.

    • Are you aware that the ANC boast that their terrorist activities were cleared through a secret communication channel with Mandela while he was in prison? Are you also aware that the defence forces are in such a state of disarray that most of the aircraft are mothballed and submarines in dry dock? Armoured vehicles are being maintained by Cubans and the Defence Minister claims that pilots are trained in Cuba and Russia because the training aircraft were stolen. Face facts and accept that Mandela augured in the destruction of South Africa. Yes, so what?

  11. Anyone the mainstream media makes out to be a hero is a liar and a fraud at best and probably a sick perverted pedophile at worst

  12. Spot the difference here:

    Nelson Mandela, master brain behind mobilization of terrorist actions, killing innocent
    citizens and children, all in the name of a so-called cause. He gets caught, trialed, pleads guilty, and receives a sentence which allows him to live and eventually become the president of South Africa, only to allow his legacy to continue with their
    barbaric actions of murder and destruction, and the world is silent…

    Osama bin Laden, master brain behind mobilization of terrorist actions, killing innocent
    citizens and children, all in the name of a so-called cause. He does not get caught to receive a trial. Instead he is hunted down and eliminated forever, and the world rejoices…

  13. It is interesting that the bombings you quote in your article all took place while Nelson Mandela was in prison under very strict regulations and security. There is no evidence that he organised these bombings. The Amanzimtoti bomber was in actual fact condemned by the ANC and shot by them. The military sales you list came with the promise of investment and employment, but as usual the West did not deliver on their promises.

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  15. All the acts of terror listed were committed while Nelson Mandela was in prison on Robben Island. It so just stupid to suggest that he “personally singed off” on the death of these innocent people. There is just no way that the Apartheid Government security forces could have been so incompetent as to allow Nelson Mandela to command MK from Robben Island. Stupid writing and stupid to believe it.

  16. Mandela was a terrorist, a racist, a Communist and a murderer. So why did the West embrace him so lovingly?

  17. Never felt comfortable with the adoration this individual received, waiting for a nuanced biography,I will be waiting a long time.

  18. “Tellingly, Mandela refused to renounce violence.” Is this some kind of joke?
    The SA white Apartheid government had been practicing violence for decades, but because some black people stand up for themselves it’s terrorism. You not heard of Sharpsville et al? Christ alive. Usual agenda.

  19. es Mandela was a murderer, he went to prison for some of what he did, so was his braver right arm, his wife Winnie who carried out much of his terror campaign when he was in prison. He quickly divorced her and tried to Sanitise his life by distancing himself from her during the truth commission. He silenced his critics and enemies who could testify against him by giving them what they craved, power. He was brilliant at public relations, and constantly took photo oppotunities with random famous white people to show his lack of bitterness. He got together with Samora Machels widow Graca to keep the revolutionaries who had failed throughout Africa happy. He was a diplomat in his old age and once the rabid and frustrated ANC could no longer stomach his sucking up they sidelined him where he took on the role of the father of the nation. The fact that the Apartheid era was bad and terrible period does not remove from the fact he was a terrorist. The real situation was revealed when his children from his three wives then fought over what he left behind and devided up the spoiled like a bunch of vultures.
    The world and especially Britain needed another Ghandi to make into a saint, due to the guilt they felt in selling Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa down the river, and Mandela provided them with that perfect oppotunity. He was a showman, who was noted for his foregiveness, but history will show most 80 year old mellow sunstantially and would make better leaders once age softens them.Hitler murdered millions of people, thinking he was right and admired by his patriots.None are saints.

  20. Necklace Inhella was a black communist scumbag. Whites ARE South Africa. Without whites, it’s just jungle savages running around doing what they usually do (rape and kill any warmblooded creature in sight).

  21. Nelson Mandela, child killer and instigator of a time period where black on black (as well as other racial) violence escalated to an all time high in South African history. And no I’m not talking about just the revolution. South African society has been a cesspool of violence even to this day. Let us honor this brave criminal by adorning the google homepage with him today. Thanks google.

  22. i dont care what the reason is or the circumstances. he had no right to murder women and children, and he should be shot for it. and yes, the aperthied was terrible, but that is beside the point. because it didnt justify murdering those innocent people.

  23. As a person actually from south africa I can actually state that nelson mandela is a bad man. He controlled two of the largest tribes in south Africa andtold ALLthe blacks to not work for the “white ” man. If they did such thing, or even bought something from the”white” man, they would be beaten up and their goods taken from them. The thing is I dont think many people realise that south Africa did not treat black men like they did in america. I moved shortly after the aparthied, but I can still say that from visiting, the country is very much a racist one. There are stores stating that no “white” man is aloud entry, only black individuals are aloud to free payed education, and only recently president Zuma sang the old song ‘kill all the boers’ – a boer is a white farmer, talk of white genocide is ongoing. I dont like people saying that we whites in south africa treated the black poorly so they are justified to kill and hurt us, its sad, but my dad tells me of the saying that there are no black racists in the world. And its not the whites in SA who treated black so poorly, it was america. Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of blacks in South Africa aren’t natives, but came by the millions from neighboring countries only after the white Boers created a country with a thriving economy, education opportunities and medical benefits.Since Mandela took over, South Africa has become a Third World country. It went from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and murder capital of the world. In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered every year. Unemployment went from 5% in 1994 to 50% today.

  24. Good article. I believe Jeanne d´Arc wasn´t such a good girl either as many English lost their lifes under her command. She therefor deserved to be burned at the stake.

    • Maybe she should have had one of Winnie Mandela’s gasoline-filled tires put around her neck and lit on fire?

  25. Despite being synonymous with freedom and democracy, Mandela was never afraid to glad hand the thugs and tyrants of the international arena.

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  28. This is all a zionist pre planned agenda.in that case,why did CIA plan to murder him is couple of years ago?

  29. The block out media and the organized propaganda that is still in control of everyone’s daily lives has brainwashed the world so that we believe they doing good? drug busts? helping countries ? Theft and corruption by deception?

  30. does anyone else realize Mandela was in prison for all of those terrorist attacks? It may have been his group but he was in prison for 20 years before the first one of those attacks. Maybe he wasn’t involved in those ones. Also, to the guy who said America was the greatest superpower ever that did more for the world than any other, I think the British might habe something to say about that. or perhaps the Romans or the french or the mongols pr ancient china, ancient Egypt etc. Let’s be realistic, America has not done a whole lot for planet earth that has been helpful

  31. lets start with HE PLEAD NOT GUILTY AT HIS TRIAL!!!! Joburg railway station was NEVER bombed!!! No one was killed

  32. It does not matter how much outright proof exists that NM started out as a terrorist, and that his groups planted bombs that killed and mamed many. The politically correct and the knuckleheads will nevertheless believe that he is a statesman above all else. If you study logic, and you recognize that NM went from killer to statesman, then you MUST conclude that ANY terrorist MUST be given a chance to demonstrate that they can “evolve” to statemanship. I mean after all, NM did it, why can’t others? Rubbish.

    • Actually, the presence or absence of proof makes all the difference in the world. Otherwise we’re stuck in a paradigm in which anything can be said to have happened unless it is emphatically disproven that it did not. In which case you would have to accept – or disprove – that I KNOW that Mandela is in heaven and sitting at Christ’s right hand because an angel of the Lord came down and delivered this revelation to me.

      • Circumstantial evidence convicts in crminal court ALL THE TIME. There is a phrase, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. We don’t need 100% certainty in any case, so why do we need it in this case, other than to know that his organization planted bombs that killed the innocent. There is no escape from this reality.

        • Where do you live that convicts are not imprisoned on a basis AT LEAST of balance of probabilities? In most decent legal systems it would be beyond reasonable doubt for a criminal case – so the prosecution, at the least. has to not just show that their version of events is possible but that it’s the most probable. It’s the latter you’re confused over – that something is notionally possible does not mean that it was actually done.

    • BTW, there is an earlier precedent. There was the Stern Gang in Israel, who carried out assassinations against (mostly) British targets and who even tried to forge an alliance with Nazi Germany because they believed that the Nazis were less of a threat to Jews than Britain. After Avraham Stern’s death his group sought support from Stalin, with the aim of forming a “totalitarian” Israel. They drove a truck load of explosives into a police station in Haifa, leaving 4 dead and 140 injured. They sent letter bombs to, amongst others, Clement Attlee and Winston Churchill. They planted bombs in Rome and London. Yitzhak Shamir, a senior member of the leadership planned and authorised assassinations and went on to become PM of Israel.

      • That’s correct. The bleeding hearts will keep killing the innocent, then reaping the rewards from bleeding hearts.

  33. It does not matter how much outright oroof exists that NM started out as a terrorist, and that his groups planted bombs that killed and mamed many. The politically correct and the knuckleheads will nevertheless believe that he is a statesman above all else. If you study logic, and you agree with the NM KoolAiders, then you MUST conclude that ANY terrorist MUST be given a chance to demonstrate that they can “evolve” to statemanship. I mean after all, NM did it, why can’t others? Rubbish.

  34. OK, so it’s been demonstrated that this article has severe factual flaws. The author, Lee Jenkins, has not offered any corrections nor has provided any support for his assertions. The backbencher does not provide anyway to contact their editorial team (if they have one). The author is clearly not a rigorous journalist and the Backbencher seems to take no responsibility for what it publishes. Can anybody see any reason why we should regard them as even trying to be a serious source of reportage and analysis?

    • what? Megapode…. this website is clearly just a website to post garbage and let white supremacist get together and e-release their hate. A white supremacist web-rally. Your statements are all correct of course.

  35. I’m sure some white person typed this up. He or She is probably prejudice against people of color and is bothered by the praise and recognition that Nelson Mandela recieved. Why focus on the negative? There is so much that Mr. Mandela did that outweighs all of his “flaws”
    Of course the man had flaws. He was human.

    • You guys cannot accept that your hero was an outright terrorist, can you. There is proof all over the place but you just cannot accept it, saying things similar to, “I see no evidence that atoms exist.”, when we know through the “corroboration” of events and theory that they indeed do, just as we know through corroboration of bomb explosions, planted and detonated by his terrorist organization, and dead women, children, and men at the time of the explosion, that indeed he did kill these innocent people. He is no hero, just ask a relative of the children killed in those blasts.

      • Lol. Some idiot on the internet wrote something and you believe it. Perhaps you should pick up a book and read about the mans life. But you won’t, you are too ignorant to do that.

      • Some idiot writes something on the internet and you believe it. You are also forgetting the thousands of black people who died under apartheid killed in the streets by a brutal regime. It seems to me that you are:
        1. Ignorant
        2. Supports brutal despotic regimes
        3. Hates black people.
        4. Don’t read books
        5. incapable of developing a reasoned argument.

  36. Where do I begin?

    Do you not realize all the crimes of the ANC which you highlighted as terrorism were perpetrated during Mandela’s imprisonment? Surely those can’t all be his fault. Donald Woods chronicled Mandela’s pre-imprisonment tactics in the book “Biko.” His only violence was to sabotage economic targets, killing nobody. Guerrilla warfare was also considered an option but was to be carried out in a way that minimized loss of life. Between 1964 and the ’80s a lot can change within an organization.

    As for the military hardware, you already explained that it was motivated by Botswana. You want to criticize him for building a self-defence force that, thankfully, never had to be used?

    Dictators… yes, this is a tough one but first off, if you look at what sanctions have done to Iran, which has all the potential for a burgeoning economy, what do you think it would do to Nigeria? Is he to countenance an action that would make their people more destitute? Is he to condemn when his condemnation would give westerners even more moral self-assurance in such an action?

    As for Gaddafi and Suharto, I cannot say much of Suharto but Gaddafi has done a great deal for Africa despite being a tyrant in Libya. Africa has its own non-western central bank and its own communications satellite thanks to him. He has been a friend to Africa. He was a friend to the ANC at a time when America would not support the anti-apartheid movement?

    To be honest, Mandela had a tough job in a continent littered with corruption and oppression. All things considered, I think he did alright, even if a few actions were questionable.

  37. If this article is historically correct, I am now saddened and disillusioned, a man that was involved in the death of innocents is a terrorist not someone to mourn.

  38. Yes, Mandela resorted to violence as a response to the ruling, but illegitimate, regime’s use of violence. It is true that when offered a conditional release by PW Botha he did not meet the condition of renouncing violence – but that is not the whole truth. What he said was that he would renounce violence if the government also renounced violence. Of course they wouldn’t and so he didn’t.
    The difference between a terrorist and a revolutionary, between a traitor and a freedom fighter is often one of perspective. It’s not enough to say that so and so embraced violence to achieve their ends. George Washington fought a war to gain political freedom. Then he went back to his farm (but did he renounce violence or apologise for having done so?). This is a better parallel for Mandela. Mandela did not rule by means of violence. He came to power via the ballot and notably reined in the security forces after the excesses of the apartheid era.

    • George Washington fought a war against the Crown. He did not resort to violence; he used warfare, with an army, against an enemy, like the US fought against the Germans and the Japanese in WW2. Comparing a terrorist to GW is like comparing a Karate Master, a 10th degree Black Belt to an MMA fighter. Both can use deadly force to defeat an opponent, but one only engages in a fight when threatened with force (the Karate Master) and the other engages in premeditated, offensive attacks in order to severely beat and hurt an adversary. GW was the Karate Master and Nelson Mandela was the MMA fighter, going on the offense in his early days, using his organization to go on the attack and kill.

        • Nice, cogent argument, but not unexpected from a LIB. As you know, LIBS always resort to name calling once their arguments fall apart, which is ALL OF THE TIME. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

        • Yes, I am an idiot. Great argument. Now that you have made this claim, please demonstrate through use of actual language that I am indeed an idiot. Yes, please. Do that through the wisdom of your words. Take your extremely well thought out phrase, “You’re an idiot. lol.” and support it through use of actual phraseology, actual development of an argument to support your thesis. Yes, your intelligence cannot be questioned, as phrases such as “You are an idiot. lol.”, are uniquely developed by those of a superior intellect. The only thing more intelligent than your response to me is the thesis that NM, once a terrorist, was a statesman before his death, and that any terrorist, therefore, MUST, be given a chance to prove himself to be capable of evolving to a statesman. Yes, excellent response, you are an idiot, lol.

  39. Atrocities were committed by all sides during the struggle for freedom in South Africa. No-one emerged with clean hands.

    If we hold Mandela responsible for actions perpetrated by the ANC, surely we must also hold the apartheid rulers responsible for:
    H.F. Verwoerd for the civilians killed at Sharpeville in 1960
    B.J. Vorster for the hundreds (some records say thousands) of unarmed CHILDREN killed during the schools protests in 1976.
    P.W. Botha for the hundreds of civilians killed during the 1980’s

    And what about the thousands who were killed in detention during the apartheid years, the hundreds of thousands of civilians, black and white, who were persecuted by thugs of the State Security apparatus for simply voicing their opinions?

    We must remember during the 70’s 80’s and 90’s South Africa was embroiled in a war against the various liberation movements. They may have called it a police action, but it was nonetheless a war.
    In war, terrible things are done. The conflict never remains between opposing military forces, civilians are invariably forced to suffer.

    What we have to remember is despite everything that Nelson Mandela suffered, whatever he was responsible for, he was instrumental in saving our nation from falling into total anarchy.

    There were many in the 1990’s, pre and post democracy, who had intentions of continuing the immoral and untenable pursuit of white domination, willing to return to armed conflict to hold onto what they believed in. These individuals had no regard for the misery they would cause – they doubtlessly still don’t.

    Mandela helped to hold this young and fragile democracy together during these dark times, calling not for retribution, instead asking all of us to forgive and come together in reconciliation for the wrongs of the past. I for one found it very hard to forgive the apartheid rulers for their actions. That Nelson Mandela could find it in himself to to do so made him a far better man than I am, and he suffered far more than I at the hands of that regime.

    And yes, today we are faced with widespread corruption and self-interest by many of those who now rule, the inheritors of Mandela’s legacy. Yet we will not find a resolution through accusations and digging up the evils of those bad times. We will only find resolution if we stand up for what is just and right, if we stand up for what Nelson Mandela believed in and dedicated his life to achieving.

    I for one give thanks that a man like Madiba arose when we needed him most. I give thanks that today we live in a nation, which despite it’s numerous problems, is much more free and fair than ever before.

    Hamba Kahle Tatamkhulu Nelson Mandela

  40. The country gutted by the US at the behest of the United Fruit Company was Guatemala, in 1901. Google it!

  41. I simply cannot understand you people, in 2013 continuing to have these racist views. When it comes to employment all that should matter is wether or not you are the best person for the job be you black, white, whatever. It makes me loose hope a little in the humanity people who still refer to people as whites or blacks, I grew up in Scotland and have never had any reason to classify someone by their race, is your mind so small that you must? I understand the pain of people who were enslaved (as much as someone who has never been through it can) but if you suffered so and still do why would youw ant to do that to others?

    • Maybe you have a small mind. So a majority of population who were held down for generations… should now not get any sort of special treatment for opportunities to try and get a level playing field? If someone beats you senseless and leaves you in a hospital with broken limbs and internal bleeding and in a sad state, they haven’t done their duty simply by ceasing to destroy and beat you…. only when they have nursed you back to complete health and played their role in assuring that you are healthy again have they done their role. Which means sacrifice on their part. South African whites (you can cry about me using that term, but if you even know what apartheid is… you’ll understand the necessity for labels… I didn’t create apartheid, but I won’t deny it) may have symbolically stopped the beating on their black countrymen by ending apartheid. Now it’s time to sacrifice to bring that section of the population back to health. To say…I’m going to stop the beating on you, but I should still get all the jobs because I am the healthier of the two of us, after you spent decades beating them… is a little disingenuous. You can whine, and cry, and say that I’m being ridiculous, or that there is some guilt. There really isn’t. It’s just very simple. If you try to destroy someone, and you want to make it up to them, you don’t make it up to them by ceasing to destroy them, but by also bringing them back to health. But I agree with you… I wish skin complexion labels were unnecessary.

  42. What this extremely biased article fails to mention is the then South African Security Forces and Intelligence Services (many) planted bombs, murdered children, cut brakes resulting in busloads of people dying horrible deaths – AND some of the acts of violence attributed to the ANC, Mandela or anyone else, were committed by the SA Intelligence Service as counter-propaganda. It was a dirty war. It is Over. When SA was on the brink of civil war Tata Madiba pleaded for and demanded peace. When families of the victims of the Apartheid government demanded justice he called for reconciliation and forgiveness and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission was born. Through my line of work I have had unique insight into various aspects of the history of my country.

    America’s agencies is FAR, FAR worse than anything Madiba ever was accredited as having done. Destroying a government and an economy at the behest of the United Fruit Company for profit motives? Only Fascist Americans. When industry and government collude for power, that is Fascism. Mussolini must be laughing in his grave!

  43. whilst it is common knowledge that Nelson Mandela was head of the Mk, “was” being the operative word…all the evidence and dates that are given are while he was in prison so hardly responsible for the actions.
    Also name me any world leader who isn’t friendly with dictators when it suits them? Britain, US and all other NATO countries have done it.

  44. Getting back to the article at hand….

    I remember painfully how it was under Nelson Mandela’s presidency that the then South African Minister of Health, Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, pronounced that the South African government did not believe that HIV caused AIDS – resulting in a policy adopted by Thabo Mbeki’s presidency to not roll out ARV treatment to those who critically needed it…

    Who are we as South Africans to hold accountable for the senseless loss of countless lives?.. My take – Nelson Mandela!

    • Wrong minister and wrong presidency. The minister was Manto Tshabala-Msimang. The president was Thabo Mbeki. Dlamini-Zuma made ARVs available, though she did back a controversial and subsequently discredited drug.

      • Not at all @megapode:disqus, it was in fact under Mandela’s Presidency that the policy decision was made – Thabo Mbeki’s cabinet merely just actioned it!

        • The pronouncement that HIV was not the cause of the only cause of AIDS came in 2000 from Mbeki. It is possible that he formulated that idea earlier, but the pronouncement came from him at that time, not via the minister of health, and by then Dlamini-Zuma was not minister of health. I don’t see a link to Mandela.

  45. All I know that if I want to break into the film industry as a screenplay writer I have more opportunity including free workshops,webnars etc in America than I do in RSA, yes there is some kind of program but it is only for Blacks,Indians and Coloureds…serious that is what the terms and conditions state.

  46. I agree with most of the things you pointed out and I wrote almost same on my blog 2 nights ago. However, I want more clarity on the dates you stated on the first point about killings. Was Mandela in prison during the 1980s in Roben Island – the very celebrated 27years? How could and did he sign-off on the terrorist bombings/attacks. As for supporting or failing to berate his friends who are dictators, the list is longer than that. In fact, the frenzied media did mention that his dear friend, Mugabe was attending too…

  47. Is it just me or Nelson Mandela ( as we know it ) isn’t anything but a myth?

    About Chavez: I’m not advocating him in any way, I was just concerning to the popular opinion towards him and as that can be a misperception as well. I’m not saying he was a perfect person, as a matter of fact being imperfect (as we all are) doesn’t…

  48. Unsure how Mandela could be responsible for all the acts or terrorism shown above when you consider he was locked in prison from 1962 to 1990…much of it without contact to the outside world.

  49. Yes, it is definitely OK to kill innocent women and children in the early phases of your career as a statesman.

    Think about it, NM did participate in 156 acts of terror in the beginning years of his careers ss s statesman. These are what you call FACTS. Many of these 156 “events” resulted in the death or maming of thousands of women, children, boys, and men.

    I guess what most of you who worship NM are saying is, “Give terrorists a chance. As they grow older they will see the futility of their ways and they could become great statesman if only they had the time.”

    The logical extension of this is, “Let us give whoever we believe to be terrorists 156 “terrorist incidents”. If they stop at 156 incidents, go to jail, and then repent, eventually becoming statesmen, then we MUST forgive them and allow them to re-enter polite society as a true statesmen. If they become true-blue statesmen, then the thousands of families impacted by the statesman’s past transgressions MUST FORGIVE the statesman.

    This is not strange y’all. It is essentially what you are saying. So from this point forward, let us not over react to acts of terrorism. Even if a terrorist takes your 10 year old daughter, tortures her, and does everything to make your life miserable, you must resist the temptation to seek revenge. Give it some time, that is, give it several more acts of terrorism;,in this way the actor may turn himself into a statesman, at which point we can all celebrate.

    • I prefer not to use profanity. I guess that’s just because I am mature. Unlike others, Why don’t the whites start owning up to THEIR mistakes. You all need to realize, what sick, revolting things you things you did to the young and old, wealthy and poor black South-Africans. THEY KILLED THEM. Took away their precious lives. Imagine what hatred you would feel towards whites if they killed someone you love. You wake up every day planning revenge. That is why AT FIRST he thought of war, THEN realized, ‘Oh, This is getting no where. Maybe peace is better.’ He learned from his mistakes. This entire article is low, even lower than most imbeciles. People who are supporting this article have never thought a day in there lives about someone else. And to add, if he was such a bad person, why would even the white South-Africans like him. Think about that before another asinine thought comes to your mouth.

      • Think about this..who sold the blacks to slave buyers that brought them to this country and why weren’t we hearing about that? BLACKS! who made life a lot better living in America then had they not come over? Whites..I am 70 years old and have never done anything to harm a black person but yet am accused of mistreating them WHY? REVENGE!! What he and his followers did to the white property owners in south Africa and to other African Blacks that does not follow his belief is the very essence of REVENGE zimbabwe WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BLAME THERE??so don’t set there all high and mighty trying to act like a saint..that goes for mandela also was a murdering thug and he is paying for it now..can’t fool god..

        • I’ll ignore your stupidity. But, Blacks did not sell there other black companions. The whites traveled over to Africa and fought MOST of the tribes there. Then stole them, to enslave them. Maybe the reason why you could understand that is because your a racist white. Yeah, everyone here would take revenge on a person for killing another that they actually care about. The people that killed thousands of thousand of Black South-Africans should be the ones blamed If this is the only argument you uphold, this is extremely easy to prove. I’m not a saint, you aren’t a saint. You aren’t god messenger. I’m not trying to act like a saint OR god’s messenger. I am just supporting mandala because he did good. He helped others. Have you? Have you truly ever helped anyone unconditionally? God knows where he is. But you don’t. It is insensitive to even bring that up. He is in heaven with Martin Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks. YOU can’t fool god. God knows what he is doing. He doesn’t need you to support him. You need him, You need to truly find god. And find the meaning of equality.
          My Mandala be sending praise in God’s kingdom.

  50. Let’s just get this straight. No American here, white, black OR mixed, have any idea on what is was like to experience apartheid. All of us, expect those born or lived/living in South Africa, have no willing right to say what we ‘think’, key word, of what happened. Have you ever imagined what people went through. Dark-skinned South Africans being beat, shot and bombed just because the were dark, for being themselves, for goodness sake! The light-skinned South-Africans being bombed because of the enormous problems they caused. I have to admit, there are better ways this could have been solved, but it ended the way it did for a reason. Remember that. Madia stood up for something other people were to scared to do, nothing can change that. Think about what you type for a moment. Realize everyone here made mistakes. Half, maybe even all, that was typed here, was racist. And don’t you ever think for a moment that you are SOOOO much better than them, because trust me, this can happen to anyone, in any countries, so, in conclusion, no one is perfect and ANY of us can end up in a situation like this.

    May Madia live on in all hearts who truly care~

    May he rest in peace, knowing that everyone is equal and his story is told.

  51. Nobody here knows the real apartheid, I was a student 13years of age during apartheid and let me tell you- it is not a time in which any of you could could wish on your worst enemy. Firstly, I was forced to not only use and be taught in a language that I had no understanding of but it was also not even a globally used language, my father worked tirelessly with no holiday some years under strict white rule and my mother was forced by a white guard to eat powdered detergent just because she had bought it at a “whites only are” today at 50 I have a good job and two adorable kids one of which undoubtedly loves her white friends and school mates but I still find myself fearing the fact that she may be mixing with children whom have parents who grew up in a separated nation and those children may be taught to dislike blacks. What I’m trying to say is: before you discredit Madia’s efforts and label those who support him as racist and terrorists remember that thousands of black south Africans were treated like rubbish in their native land, pushed to non-arable land and forced to eat the dust off white men and women. The black South African during the regime had no freedom and no equality…if you had an opinion opposing the nationalist government you were the meal of the day so please explain to me how the regime could have been collapsed peacefully when marchers were gunned down in sharpville for protesting with anti-government banners? How were we to live under the gun and fight back with a feather? Who ever says Blacks and whites mixed is speaking only for a handful of citizens as we all know that not every white was pro-apartheid but the majority who gained immensely were either bystanders or fellow oppressors. White South Africa killed and humiliated even a church priest broke his soul and left him to pick up a thousand splendid pieces with slimy spit on his face so don’t come up here and lie to people telling them about the regime through rosy sunglasses because the majority never shared the same of anything even nutrition was not to be shared.

  52. anyway, capetown library assistant said my internet time is up, i wonder if ill ever find out where south africa is 🙁

  53. are south Africa and north Africa part of the same island? and do they eat spahetti or am i thinking of Mongolia, ???

  54. I suggest you educate yourself: Mandela was in prison then. In isolation. Get your facts straight. Yes, UmKhonto we Sizwe did those crimes but not under his orders. He was a mere prisoner then who was not heard from until his release in 1990. There is no record of any such orders by Mandela. Its worth reading this: https://medium.com/p/dc527e92b0f0

  55. You are aware that Mandela was arrested on 5 August 1962 and was in prison till 11 February 1990. I am not saying he is perfect or that he has not done anything wrong ever, But attributing attacks to him from 1985-1988 while he was behind bars might be a bit much.

  56. Should say that all the instances of terrorism you cite happened when Madiba had already been in prison for 19 years. He might still have been authorising/condoning these acts but I certainly can’t find any evidence. When he was leader of MK, he advocated and practiced sabotage, which is slightly different from terrorism. Only if that failed did he personally even consider terrorism.

  57. He was a hell of a lot more flawed than I am or any of my friends. We would never have committed the atrocities he did. Admitted his “mistakes”? MISTAKE?! You’ve got to be kidding me. That’s what the Nazis said before they were hanged. Oh, that’s right, they were the losers. Winners get away with rewriting anything they want.

  58. Where did this LEE JENKINS dig this up from what’s his source / reference ? Is it the TRUTH or is it more Sensational LIES ?

    • Sorry for the poor English, Above should read – “Did Mandela not condemn…” Also , to be fair he pressed for Nigeria’s suspension from the commonwealth. Perhaps the other has a different point.

  59. “The real tragedy is that too many in the West can’t bring themselves to
    see what the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as
    flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal.”

    Just as flawed as the rest of us. I’ll take that into consideration for the next attack on civilians I commit.

  60. Hard to be ruled by white extremist looking to make your people second class citizens in their own country when you have military hardware. Vietnamese discovered that.

  61. Can’t we all just relax, stop calling each retards or any other such comments, stop discussing the merits or flaws of either US political party, stop talking about race relations and just respect that Mandela was a somewhat decent human being?

  62. i dont understand people. the british invade his homeland. kill and oppress his people. and he is some sort of monster for doing anything in his power to get them to relinquish control??? use your brains people. how many people did he kill while in power?? he had every opportunity to settle the score and he took the high road. his mission was already accomplished by getting rid of british control. he did what he could to ease racial tensions.

  63. The dates of the terrorist activities all list incidents that occurred whilst Mandela had been in prison for over 20 years. The original MK “M Plan” (Mandela Plan), was a programme of controlled sabotage, launching a guerilla war modelled upon the FLN’s struggle in Algeria. Its policy involved the targeting of state buildings for sabotage without resorting to murder. The Incidents reported were carried out under the leadership of Joe Slovo, who reported directly to ANC president Oliver Tambo

  64. I think that everyone has forgotten that Mandela was a terrorist and associate of dictators who refused to denounce wrongs even by his own admission and due to stupidity by people in power at the time brought about the destruction of the great nation of South Africa.

  65. A fourth thing you don’t want to know about your god mandela, the dead terrorist: When a WHITE boy got stabbed by a BLACK boy at a school, the white boy ended up in hospital, not sure if he made it through the whole ordeal. The hero of the nations, your beloved dead terrorist GAVE the black, poor, oppressed, previously disadvantaged criminal, scissors wielding hero of the black masses R20 000. 00 from his ”personal” money to carry on with his ‘studies’ while he is incarcerated. That little turd will obviously now qualify for a governmental position, as he at least tried to kill a white person and also did some jail time. YIPPEE, this is the South Africa the assholes in the world cut South Africa off from the rest of the world with sanctions, etc.
    During those times, the WHITEMAN in this country developed fuel from coal – SASOL, the R1 assault rifle, R4 and R5 military assault rifles, G4 & G5 canons, Ratel troop carrier, elephant tank, Rooivalk attack helicopter, and who knows what else on the civilian front. The exchange rate was US$2 to one South African Rand. Petrol at one stage was something stupid like R0, 50/ litre, etc, etc.
    Since 1994 more municipalities have had to be placed under administration, funds have disappeared, basic services have become luxuries, ambulances have been used for personal gain by being used as taxis or for the transportation of stolen copper cable, and the list goes on. But you know what: FREE MANDELA. Shame on you whites. Well buddy, screw you, I will NEVER be sorry that I am a white male, and I will NEVER suck up to ANYONE, including your dead terrorist god mandela, just to be politically correct.

  66. I’m fapping to this discussion…

    Seriously, everyone should just move to where Jesus lives, ‘MERIKUH!!!

    FUCK YEAH!!!

    m/ m/

  67. You need to check your history friend. You cite terrorist attacks carried out in the 80’s when Mandela was locked away in prison with no means of communicating with MK. “Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.” Privode exidence for this claim that he was in any way at the helm when these attacks took place.

    • Except the Johannesburg station bombing wasn’t in the 80’s — it was in 1964. Oops! Wasn’t Mandela in prison even then? At least it was the ANC/MK. Oops! A white member Frederick John Harris of the ARM confessed to it and he was hanged for it in 1965. What’s more, only one person was killed although many injured. Not to dismiss a single life, but to point out that the writer of this article–it looks like he is just making up stuff. What do you readers think?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_John_Harris

  68. Several friends of ours were forced to leave their home in South Africa because they are white. One friend went back last year and she was amazed to see the corruption and crime and hear from friends who remained just how bad it is for them. The MSM news will not mention any of this! Especially these past 5 years and even more so since Mandela’s passing away. I’m sure he did some good, but I’d prefer to view all truths, not just selected facts like we see in the America MSM news, excepting Fox.

    • The mainstream media is out to get you!!!! It’s a conspiracy!!! You can only trust Fox News!!!!! LOL. Idiot. PS. Choosing to leave your home because you’re uncomfortable with black people having equality is not the same as “being forced to leave.” If their friends still remain in SA, why were your friends forced to leave? Stop playing victim. You and your friends victimize yourselves with your stupidity and intolerance.

      • Thanks for your input. But you really have no idea, do you. And frankly, we need not give one such as you all the details, as you’d have the same uninformed come back. But, have a really nice day now ya hear.

        • What a witty retort to such a witty retort. Love how you overuse the English language. Flowery responses online are the calling cards of morons.

        • Stealing words from Bill O’Reilly now? Try not speaking in phrases that you learned from Fox News. I promise you that you’ll sound much smarter.

          • O’Reilly and I use the same dictionary, and went to the same school. I’m retired, and don’t need to sound smart. But thanks for the advice.

        • Whhaaaaaaaa. I have to hear that blacks are victims!! Whaaaaa!!!! It’s so inconvenient for me!!! I’m going to cry about it online. Do everyone a favor and shut your hole Jane. You know what…. shut all your holes.

        • When did you start thinking like an ass hole. WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHITE GIRLS! I COULD CARE LESS IF IT WAS A SHITHOLE FOR THEM. You moronic, inconsiderate bitch. It’s your fault for taking over their country. Blacks were not greedily taking everything they could. It was whites who took what they had and enslaved them. So, Next time, being that your head in stuck up in your ass, quiting being such a whore and go get a life.

  69. If you know little about Africa and Mandela please don’t put things out of context to suit your story editor. Any man given the power to lead a country (or with enough money for his own house) would invest heavily on security one way or another.

  70. What does a solder do now that gays are openly serving in the military when someone yells shoot the cocksucker? The military is not a place for polite language usually. What is a soldier to do, WHAT?

  71. Strange how that man Peter Hain who helped that mass killer Mugabe take over Rhodesia is on all of this.

  72. The flag was lowered to half-staff for this terrorist. Anyone who claims that isn’t racially motivated is out of his or her mind.

    • I believe that protocol dictates that the flags fly at half-staff on the death of any previous President. It’s not about race, it’s about the office. PW Botha’s family were offered a full State funeral with all the trappings thereof.

  73. 7 bombing incidents in his history of a fight for freedom of the majority? The US dropped more cruise missiles in Baghdad in the first 5 minutes of their illegal invasion of Iraq.

    How much does the US spend annually on armaments?

    The US supported Bin Laden while he was fighting the USSR and Sadam in his fight with Iran. Expediency is not the preserve of Nelson Mandela.

    • I doubt that claim is true. What about Zimbabwe?

      AA is not about “protection”. That’s missing the point. It’s about correcting for decades of arbitrary disadvantage.

    • Times Newspapers, since 1981 a subsidiary of News UK, itself wholly owned by the News Corp group headed by Rupert Murdoch. The same guy that owns Fox News…hmmmm.

  74. Is it me, or do the links refer to an Amnesty International website report that was publised in 1965, well before the time in question?

  75. “I was not a messiah, but an ordinary man who had become a leader because of extraordinary circumstances.” – Nelson Mandela

  76. Mandela was a terrorist, a Communist sympathiser, an appeaser of tyrants world-wide. He purported to be a supporter of human rights, but curtained those of White South Africans. This “tolerant humanitarian” often sang “Kill the Boer” in public. He never apologised for his bombing campaign, or killing of White civilians.

    Apartheid was neither a crime against humanity, nor illogical – it was an attempt to keep racist tyrants like Mandela from coming to power. A pity it was never going to work.

    • Not so, apartheid was designed to carve out a preferential situation for white people. As a result of that system and it’s cruel legal framework many people born within the borders of South Africa were denied the franchise and deprived of their citizenship. John, you are putting horses before carts here. Mandela nor the ANC did not simply spring up one day and start planting bombs, there was a long history of attempts at peaceful protest and negotiation with the government. Apartheid was not contrived to prevent a Mandela coming to power, but Mandela did develop as he did because of Apartheid.

      • of course you’re write. John Cox is simply an imbecile trying to rewrite history so his other imbecile friends will have something else to say.

  77. “The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel.”

    No, it was an attempt to preserve something of civilization on a dark, dark continent.

    • As a young black South African, I find what you are saying quite offensive.
      What is your definition of civilisation? Tall buildings? Roads? Rail Roads? Shopping malls?

      I would like to point out one neighbouring country: Lesotho. That country has never been colonised, yet it is going strong. No wars. No out of this world corruption. It is still a Kingdom today and I can go there and see the most beautiful landscapes.

      Civilisation is not about what the strong colonies enforced on people that were minding their own business wherever God had placed them. It’s about a CULTURE. A culture that might not involved technology or advanced architecture. It’s a CULTURE where people feel safe and are comfortable with whatever surrounding they have.

      There might be a lot of African countries that have barbaric power hungry leaders, but there African leaders who can actually use their brains,
      South Africa, is DEFINITELY one of those countries

      Also, your logic doesn’t make sense, how does oppression preserve civilisation?
      I think you need to have a look at all the acts that were passed during Apartheid and ask yourself how that can possibly preserve civilisation.

        • When did your people colonize Canada? Jane…sounds like a native name. Jane walks with head up ass – your native moniker.

          • Im not native, I am half acadian- the first settlers in canada who started the fur trade, the salted fish trade, the lumber trade. We worked side by side with the natives and got along fine with them for 150 years until the english got jealous and came over to ruin things. We came in 1625.

          • So you’re not a native & you have issues with non-native people immigrating to Canada? I’m trying to follow your BS.

  78. If you didn’t know, Mandela was put in jail on August 5, 1962. He was released Feb. 11, 1990. He trial wasn’t even then and it is IMPLAUSABLE that Mandela was able to sign off on it. HE WAS IN JAIL! He was completely cut off from an outside social interaction. AND, If you decide to actually do your own research, it told you nothing about him spending this much on defense when he was president. To add, Madagascar can’t be established as an actual Developed country. It has too many animals and is considered sacred land (Technically). Let us just get this straight. NO DICTATOR WOULD WASTE THERE TIME ON ANOTHER COUNTRY’S PROBLEM. Even if Mandela was friendly to dictators, that shows nothing suspicious. To prove my theory, you could also question why he decided to get so close to his enemies, the government ruling at that time. It was to make sure he could end apartheid. Most, maybe even all, of this information is false. Mandela choice, at first, was war, but he knew that wasn’t what he need to do to show his cause. This article just proves that Mandela was an amazing human being, showing compassion and caring. No one has any right to be so disrespectful to him, considering all that he did. There is no ‘true color’. Everyone is equal. You had no right to post this article. May he rest in peace. Nelson Mandela: 1918-2013

  79. Mandela did what was necessary to make ALL people equal in South Africa. I don’t see any of you crying over the thousands murdered by the apartheid regimes in the 50 years of National party rule. I don’t see any tears over the like of Steve Biko or the hundreds of prisoners who “slipped and fell” or “committed suicide” or mysterious car crashes that conveniently killed those fighting for equal rights.

    South Africa was a police state protecting an elitist white society and holding themselves as better than all other population groups. Pretty much what the Nazis did in Germany in the 30s and 40s.

    The suppressive regimes created a bitter and angry second class population, and now you are reaping the fruits of their arrogance, bigotry, racism and the hatred it created. Are you surprised that they are s racist as the previous regime??

    South Africa’s racist policies have borne this fruit, so don’t cry because you now have to deal with it

    • 100% correct. you’re on the wrong website…it’s mostly empty-headed white supremacists on this site.

      • better than black supremists like you!The white man still has to wipe your ass for you, you cant do anything by yourself!

  80. Read what the web has to say about the crime rate in South Africa >>>since mdiidella and his thugs took over Ist in RAPES and high in every other crimes committed ..So what did the the great one do good???NOTHING not to mention the murderous past he had…

  81. So glad there are other people out there that actually register the facts! People are more concerned with where their opinion places them in the public’s eye within their social standings than with who Mandela actually was, why he spent 27 years in prison (got off easy) and what he actually stood for (UmKhonto we Sizwe) The worst thing is that you’re forced to learn that he is a hero in school. I used to defend him until I actually researched him, years ago.

    • awwww. your racist friends got ahold of you and made you feel bad for respecting Madiba? So then you made the choice to be ignorant? That’s cute.

  82. He was an absolute piece of filth and the world is better off without him. Hope he is roasting in hell and that the families of the people he murdered are able to find peace.

  83. ALL OF YOU ARE PAMPERING A TROLL. THAT DANIEL CREATURE IS AN IDIOTIC CHILD, THAT DID NOT GET ENOUGH LOVE FROM HIS MUM, OR PROBABLY TO MUCH. DO NOT LET HIM HIGHJACK THIS THREAD. IGNORE THE PIECE OF CRAP

  84. I am a 23 year old South African lady who lives in Johannesburg. I was too young to notice the Regime when I was growing up so I have no idea how it was. I work for a software house and no one pays attention to what race anyone belongs to. I have friends from all races and honestly no one gives a crap what the color of your skin is. My life is as normal as can be. There might be a majority of ignorant black people, but you will be shocked to find that there are quite a lot of black people with a good head on them, I mention this because some comments imply that the white people are going to leave SA and it is going to go down the drain. I don’t agree. Myself and most of my generation do not share the same opinions all the white people that claimed to have moved to Australia or USA or the UK to flee the current SA.

    Mandela might have founded an organisation that killed white people, I however just want to remind everyone that accuse him of being nothing else but a “murderer”, that he would have not have been part of the MK had the white government not used armed force against the people he was fighting for.

    Everyone on here seems make it seem like he just walked out of is house and went “Oh, I hate whites and I am going to go on and bomb them”
    A general reaction that a group of people who get arrested and tortured or killed on a daily basis would be to defend themselves. Whether Mandela said yes or no in prison wouldn’t have stopped the people that were still out in the streets being butchered.

    I would also to point out a few things to the people that say that South Africa was better off with the Apartheid regime. The Regime was a stupid and retarded idea. Black people were 70% of the population when the regime was started. What economical sense does it make to impoverish the majority of a country? Also, President Botha was planning to poison black women so they became infertile, thus stopping black population growth. This is the maddest load of crap I’ve ever heard! And this is just little percentage of what Apartheid was about. How the well was is Mandela a terrorist when defending his people?

    Please note that in 1983, President Botha offered to release Mandela from prison if he promised to stop violence. Mandela responded that the presence of Apartheid meant violence, and that in a democracy, there will be no need for violence. He spent another 7 years in prison because of that response.

    Mandela was not a violent man. He was ruled by a violent government.

      • MK was the armed wing of the ANC, co-founded by Nelson Mandela in the wake of the SHARPVILLLE MASSACRE. Its founding represented the conviction in the face of the massacre that the ANC could no longer limit itself to non-violent protest; its mission was to fight against the South African government. After warning the South African government in June 1961 of its intent to begin retaliatory acts if the government did not take steps toward constitutional reform and return of the freedoms denied under apartheid, MK launched its first guerrilla attacks against government installations on 16 December 1961. It was subsequently classified as a terrorist organisation by the South African government and the United States, and banned.

        I hear no mention of the innocent young people that were murdered just before this group was formed. It was a reaction to terrorism. Also, we have no proof of whether he gave the bombings a go ahead or not.

        How many people will actually stand back and watch their families being slaughtered without reacting? What if they did so and the minority rule wiped out the race?
        We wouldn’t be having this conversation now.

        Mandela is not a hypocrite, he admitted all this, he helped form this group because he realised that the non-violent approach they had wasn’t going to work with the government he was fighting.

        I’m sorry, but that does not make him a terrorist. He had reason to do everything he did.

    • great comment. These people who are saying that SA is going down the drain are simply white people who are not comfortable seeing SA blacks as equals. They believe that they are privileged because they are white. They are an embarrassment to humanity.

    • Just keep your hatred of whites out of the other white nations like canada. We have alot of your people here and they are the most racist of all cultures in canada that I have ever encountered and canada is very multicultural! Africans dont even like canadian blacks!!

      • You are so full of shit…give it a rest you psycho! WTF do you know about Africa or Africans? Just stfu and you won’t come across as the narcissistic white-bred chicken-shit bigoted bitch that you so clearly are!

  85. interesting since all of these bombing highlights occur well within his period of incarceration where he was only allowed one visitor a year and a letter ever six months…

  86. To be honest I don’t know that much about mandela’s darker past, but you’re correct, it should not be ignored or excused. I think once the mourning period has passed, history will start painting a fuller picture of the guy. My off-the-cuff take is he was born into a violently oppressive regime, Apartheid, and far more often than not, natural passionate leaders like Mandela embrace Marxism because it somewhat explains what oppression is, quite accurately I think, but it’s “solutions” are often as bad as the oppression it seeks to overthrow. Revolutionary Marxists are unapologetic about the violent aspects of their program. Marxism is compelling, if not intoxicating, to someone in his situation.

    Mandela’s Marxism didn’t win him many friends in the U.S. as the cold war was still going on, and so the U.S. government, while anti-apartheid in principle, was more worried about which way Mandela would swing if the ANC prevailed.

    In the end, I guess you could look at it as the tragedy of Apartheid — social conditions like that produce violent reaction; had we not been a true democracy w/an explicit bill of rights, our own civil rights movement would have been more of a violent revolution. In his shoes, in that time and place, could you or I have done better than Mandela? Perhaps Mandela will serve as both example and warning to future leaders seeking freedom in similar circumstances.

    Postscript: Ayn Rand wrote about the utter hopelessness of South Africa at that time: tragic and — inevitable:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=-2D6VqMXfFIC&pg=PT94&lpg=PT94&dq=ayn+rand+Apartheid&source=bl&ots=D82DO9rC6q&sig=PnVs3GbvmqiNLKPNvYw2S2u4vyY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OqWkUrH8N_XIsAT2q4KQAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ayn%20rand%20Apartheid&f=false

  87. The article makes some good points, but falls short on the single most important issue, terrorism. The major examples you cite are all from the period when Mendela was impassioned and unable to exercise control over violence. At his trial he admitted sabotage (violence against property which lead to unintended — but foreseeable — deaths) and threatened guerrilla warfare which would have been even bloodier. But by the time he was imprisoned that was about as far as it had gone. Umkhonto we Sizwe (contrary to Mandela’s wishes) became dominated by the Communist Party and moved into unquestioned acts of terrorism.

    On the subject of his relations with dictators; all true, but not much different from the leaders of most western democracies (unfortunately). Ditto, military spending.

    What you did get right is that he never claimed to be perfect (and lived up to his claims!).

    • But unlike every other political leader on the planet, Mandela is treated like he is a saint (as we have seen with the sickening eulogies of the last few days). Not one of the many reports I heard mentioned that he was classed as a terrorist until 2008.

      Not one report has mentioned his wife and her support for summary execution of those regarded as traitors. If Margaret Thatcher’s husband had been convicted of the things Winnie Mandela had been convicted of, then all of that would have come out again around the time of Thatcher’s funeral.

      What we are seeing is once more the double standards for black people. They are held to far lower standards of morality than white people.

  88. Ladies and gentleman, as you can see, Red Garbage makes very concise, cogent arguments to support his positions.  For example, his primary thesis is that the American Revolution was akin to Apartheid, and that revolutionaries were in fact not intent on killing the adult enemy (the British soldiers) but rather, the American revolutionary guerillas went about planting bombs where they knew children would be, to kill children and women as a scare tactic, a terrorist attack if you will.  You can see support for this brilliant thesis by the extremely well written phrase, “allessior!  allessior!  allessior!  allessior!”. You see, even though most novice political junkies would not be able to understand it, Red Carnage uses a very rare technique, where the “rhythm” of the phrase acts as a code for the actual thesis.  Luckily, having studied the behavior of the Neanderthal, I am one of the few that can infer the argument that Red Riding Carnage is making, namely, that the revolutionary guerillas used the killing of women and children as a terror tactic to get their way with the Crown, just like Nelson Mandela did.  Fortunately, that was not the case, but rather, the Americans were intent on taking as many British soldiers and political representatives as they could, never ever using the citizenry, in a purposeful manner, as guinea pigs to make a point.  

    However, you cannot argue with the sheer genius of Red Robbin’s arguments, since “allessior!” used in repeated rhythmic ways conveys several meanings that only people of such ungenius can make.  

    And Red Ranger also helps us understand the kind of critical thinking necessary to participate in such debates.  Many readers might conclude that using a person’s name in repetitive fashion indicates a lack of intelligence, a lack of cogency, an inability to develop a thesis and properly support the thesis with factual data.  But alas, Red Robin Hood has the last laugh because his use of repetitive, Neanderthal  patterns accomplishes the same thing, but only for those capable of understanding what seem to be nonsensical patterns of dribble, but are in reality some form of conveyance that very few can understand.

  89. Mr. Jenkins,
    Right, so where did you link to Mandela’s self criticism. With all this fluff, I’ve got to take to the boring research, tedious in the extreme, but I am first of all mindful of integrity. What’s the idea? He’s a terrorist in your opinion? Or a nationalist hero, who humbly understands the error of his ways? You don’t state which is your view.
    We’ll could be, you didn’t look into all the history? Is that it? Does Mandela’s stand have merit? Not that anyone with good conscience will condone his alleged bombings.
    Give facts, links and merit where it exists. Let the few who refrain from bashing, the chance to take a load off and let someone who has the time, where you give just a bit more, and link to some fantastic reality!

  90. Well, if Zero O’Boob can win the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing anything is possible.. But to be the maker of murder, how can you decide to hand out “Peace Prizes” to anyone as ‘contemptible’ as him, who has stirred the Racist pot to near boiling..

    “Jagland said “We have not given the prize for what may happen in the future. We are awarding Obama for what he has done in the past year.”

    Well, I can say that Nobel invented Dynamite and the Sweden may have caused this to blow up in their leftist face.. “Alfred Bernhard Nobel 21 October 1833 – 10 December 1896) was a Swedish chemist, engineer, innovator, and armaments manufacturer. He was the inventor of dynamite. Nobel also owned Bofors, which he had redirected from its previous role as primarily an iron and steel producer to a major manufacturer of cannon and other armaments. Nobel held 350 different patents, dynamite being the most famous. He used his fortune posthumously to institute the Nobel Prizes.”

    PEACE AT ANY COST????

    “In 1986, a $285 million contract between the Government of India and Swedish arms company Bofors was signed for supply of 410 155mm Howitzer field guns. In 1987, Swedish Radio alleged that Bofors paid illegal commissions to top Indian politicians and key defence officials to seal the deal. The scandal contributed to the defeat of Rajiv Gandhi in elections three years later.

    In 1999 Saab AB purchased the Celsius Group, then the parent company for Bofors. In September 2000 United Defense Industries (UDI) of the United States acquired Bofors Weapons Systems (the heavy weapons division), while Saab retained the missile interests.”

  91. What I like about Mandela is he admitted his crime… This is unlike the white people continually absolving their kind of any wrong, because clear they were fair and better than all other races. 7000 is not the number of people that died during apartheid, it is the censored version told to South Africa and the rest of the world to avoid a political uprising by the black man on his white brothers.

      • james, you are a bit in denial 🙂 apartheid is not an invention of some crazy people wanting to be angry on some white folks, that anger for justice some people have can sometimes turn them into people blind towards a balanced view.

    • Yes, and Timothy Mcveigh admitted his terrorist crime as well, except instead of imprisoning him for life, they gave him the death penalty. Perhaps if they gave him a life sentence with the possibility of parole he may have been able to firm an organization for peace, perhaps named “The Congress of Racial Justice”, but alas, the authorities did not give him the same luxury that Mandela was afforded after he bombed and killed thousands of innocent babies and toddlers, not to mention innocent women and men. You see, those who imprisoned Mandela saw greatness in this man, so, the authorities became more and more inclined over the years to firgive him for those heinous acts. The families of those who were killed and maimed were thrown to the side like so much garbage, having to watch the murderer of their children be released because Mandela was a supreme entity, a superior being, who was sorry for the killings, and that wax enough for the uthorities.

      RUBBISH!

      • He was on a nutty depression pill and there are others who did the same thing on those pills. They make people hallucinate.

  92. Lee Jenkins: extraordinary! I stopped reading your lies first time round when I saw that that you ascribed a bombing at joburg railway station to nelson mandela and MK. as your close reading of SA history will have told you, joburg station was bombed one during the struggle against apartheid. it was bombed by Frederick John Harris, a white member of the African resistance Movement. look me in the eye and answer a question, keyboard warrior. had you been born black in SA during the early 20th century, would you have joined an armed struggle. Answer ‘No’ to my question and you are either a liar or a coward. In your case, possibly both.

  93. Dear Daniel
    Only people who are not confident with their knowledge use foul language and names in their attempts at debate and argument.
    Shame dear Daniel – one day you might grow up and smell the roses whereupon you may be able to join the true debaters in life.
    Until then, maybe you need to have a good look at yourself in the mirror and rethink about your clear lack of understanding of the real happenings in South Africa!!

    • lol. that’s not true at all. i just call it as i see it. you’re in denial because you know you wish for a society of separation where whites are privileged over blacks. That’s the society you want to live in. You’re a fool, and you’re obvious.

      • the big evil of all times is security over doubt. Black white thinking. Both left and right are guilty of that. Because doubt has the seed of mercy, and doubt is the growthfactor of wisdom, and together they protect and free, and change our world.

    • “Why do libs cherish murderers like Mandela, Che, Chavez, Castro,…?”

      Because they have no objection to violence, provided the people they despise are being murdered. If Anders Breivik had murdered right-wing teenagers at a far-right training camp, the Left would have t-shirts with his face on them, just like they have with Che Guevara. And just like Rolling Stone is trying to make a pinup of the muslim bomber of the Boston marathon.

      I was a socialist for 25 years. I saw the light a few years ago, and now I despise them.

      • you didn’t see the light. you just went senile and got really easily duped into being a moron.

  94. Why do left-wingers pretend to be so uppity about racism when they are the biggest racists in the history of the world?

    • never ending circles with the left right talk, it doesnt exist, the truth has both sides giving valid arguments. But even if a pedal goes up and down, the goal is always straight forward…and the goal can not be ignored because of the cause of self protection. Because in the long run, mercy is that what saves all of us.

    • hahaaaaa. good one. i guess just because you say it, it makes it true. You know that you dislike black people… that’s why you’re getting so angry about liberals condemning racism. lol. and then you lash out, because you’re stupid, and you just decide to say “leftists are the biggest racists in the history of the world!!!” with nothing to support it. You’re a gem.

  95. Mandela is only a hero to those who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the liberal media, without researching truth for themselves.

    • he is a hero not because of the man he was, but because of avoiding a country to go in a revenge modus….the man was created by the circumstances but the circumstances allowed him to show people the power of forgiveness….it is not who he was, but what he remembered us that is the holy thing.

    • Bah! As has already been demonstrated, the author of this article doesn’t have many facts on his side and clearly hasn’t researched the truth. Don’t make the same mistake and don’t just look to prop up judgements you have already arrived on the basis of little or no information.

  96. Mandela was a murder. Ever wonder what it would be like to take a car tire, fill it full of gasoline, then push it down over a Christian’s head and chest,,, then light it on fire? Mandela can tell you what that is like to do that to someone. They called it Necklacing, Winnie, his wife was particularly fond of it. Check it out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing My guess is Mr. Mandela is in a particularly warm place at the moment.

    We fly our flags at half staff for a Marxist loving terrorist, but not flown at half staff for Margaret Thatcher, a leader that helped bring down Communism and was one of our greatest allies.

    • That is what Obama wants too. Obama is a passionate follower of “Black Liberation Theology”, which has an ultimate goal of a separate black nation. This is why he quit Trinity church when running for office – to hide his association.

      • Me scared. Me stupid, too. Me regurgitate what they tell me to say. Me have no idea what Black Liberation Theology mean. But me scared.

      • But in canada we have many cultures and they all live seggregated with their own race when we are all suppose to be living together. So it proves no race wants to mingle and live with other races, and you get little india, chinatown, irishtown, etc. Then the side effect is the downtown has turned to gangland of 150 ethnic gangs in toronto.

  97. So it seems, the fight goes on. Was Mandella a terrorist or a freedom fighter. Who decides? Same as BinLaden, for some a freedom fighter and others a terrorist??????????????????

      • So we didnt had to fight hitler or napoleon or …? noboy decides, it just is, history makes people guilty because of obligation, and it is our duty to learn from it so it cant be repeated,and we dont avoid this by planting new hate, but by understanding. Bin laden wanted to bring judgement, it is still something very different.

    • William. Do you want to know ” Was mandela a terrorist or a freedom fighter, Who decides ”? We the people , by observing his actions. see/read websites I have given above.

    • at least you were honest with your racism. 99% of people in here are racists, they’re just too cowardly to admit it, but not smart enough to hide it.

      • Mandela was a racist. He not only hated white people, but plotted to kill as many innocent white civilians as he could, including white women and children.

        • if your people would suffer in that way, i hope you wouldnt be a coward not to defend them,although his way was not good towards innocents in that place and time it is understandable. the nice thing about mandela is that he did change, while having enough reasons to hold on to hate. He was far from perfect,but he filled a memory in history that gives warmth to so many people, what he symbolises is more then what he did as a person, it is not connected anymore to only his person, but is the image of many peoples hopes and dreams. Mandela himself knew he was not a saint. People worship in him the hope that will save us from the confinements of our being, if we hold on to it.

          • Typical liberal “ends justifies the means” rhetoric.

            You are saying that if a black gang leader in S. Central LA got his gang to rise up and start bombing police stations and buses full of white people, that he should then be praised as a hero for his “efforts towards ending racism”.

            This is exactly what Mandela was in prison for.

          • i dont think one can free mandela from his sins, as we all will never be free from our sins, but we can give it reason, and mandela fullfills a certain reason bigger then himself. It is also not the same as a black gang leader in LA, the conditions in SA were very different, it was the whole of a people that was officialy put down and innocents were abused and even killed because of it. Wouldnt you stand up for your kids, and wouldnt you share in loosing control the day you cant take it anymore ?

          • He is exactly the same as any other terrorist. Bin Laden bombed the USA killing thousands for the same reason mandela murdered thousands – Because he felt he ends justified the means.

            Mandela was a terrorist who murdered innocent people. This is a fact. It cannot be changed. Period.

          • bin laden killed because of a wrong interpretation of the quran and a wrong interpretation of good and evil while fullfilling his quest for reason, bin laden killed to destroy, while mandela killed to free. or am i wrong in this? mandela is not pure evil, what he did avoided the loss of many lives, he could have talked hate after his release, he avoided many deaths.

          • “bin laden killed because of a wrong interpretation of the quran ”

            Wow. You are seriously ignorant about the life of Mohammed. Here is just one page (from the most authoritative muslim biography ever written about Mohammed). http://www.scribd.com/doc/27156626/The-Earliest-Biography-of-Muhammad-By-Ibn-Ishaq#outer_page_89 In this one page Mohammed is murdering 700 men and boys (any boy with pubic hair was beheaded). The founder of islam then sells off the women and other children as slaves. He takes the wife of one of those he killed, and adds her to his harem, where she would be his sex slave to be raped.

            Seriously. Just don’t comment on islam until you’ve at least read some books. Even books by muslims will show you that Bin Laden was an amateur killer compared to Mohammed.

          • Islam is much more then the dogmatic stories you make of it. But the culture it allows is pure interpretation. And Mohammed lived in another time and his deeds have a certain angel/perspective that needs to be seen with it. Just as many bible prophets were not full grown in mercy and pleaded fast with god to kill the enemy, still for many they are half saints.

          • “Islam is much more then the dogmatic stories you make of it.”
            Almost the last words to come out of the mouth of the founder of “the religion of peace” were “kill the unbelievers”.

            We’ve been fed the lie for almost a century that islam is the religion of peace. After a century of revealing that muslims worship a genocidal murderer, perhaps we will be in a position to form a balanced judgement.

          • religion is never of peace, but what it brings you in wrong judgement, you can change in good judgement, religion is the tool we are given by god to bless or curse his creation.
            anyway we were talking about mandela, and why comets are put in our heavens, to shine and break down to set times and allow people to see all sides while it makes it anticipated turn around the day and nights of our lives.

          • “religion is never of peace, but what it brings you in wrong judgement, you can change in good judgement, religion is the tool we are given by god to bless or curse his creation.”

            blah blah blah. You need medicating.

          • jonath. How much have you ever read about Islam or muslim history? You say bin laden killed because of a wrong interpretation of the quran . Have you read Quran? From Quran Sura 9:111″ Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them paradise. They will fight for the cause of Allah ,they will Kill and be Killed ” And muslims have been doing that from the times of mo-ham-mad to this day. Killing each other and Infidels. Are you a new convert to Islam by any chance? Just curious . Now see http://www.faithfreedom.org and http://www.islam-watch.org I pity ignorant people like you.

          • thats methaphorical, everyting in religion is methaphorical…just as history is methaphorical, a mirror of creation in reason explained through the mirros of creation for a reason that actually allows wrong interpretation as part of the three of logic that is being build in gods mind…this is actually what jesus came to teach us, until his words were once again interpretated wrong.

          • He doesn’t want to understand or can’t understand what you are saying. His ego won’t let him. He seems to have forgotten the Crusades. Religion is not God it is the worship of a God & written by men.

        • I have been to South Africa. I’ve been all over South Africa, from Cape Town to Durban to Johannesburg to Rustenburg to Nelspruit. The nicest people I met there were the South African blacks, from the cab drivers to random people I met on the trains to the workers and police officers. And while I met many South African whites who were also very nice to me and my girlfriend, they were clearly racists and would make racist comments, thinking that it was something that we would all obviously agree on. It seemed that if there was one group that wasn’t willing to try living in harmony with the other, it was the whites. I’ve walked all through Johannesburg and nothing happened to me.

  98. Mandela, started his career by blowing up innocent babies, toddlers, blown to bits for a cause. Red Herring believes that’s ok, as long as in the end you become a great healer, a great diplomat. Like Al Sharpton, who ruined the career of Steven Pagonis, who ruined the careers of the Duke LaCrosse players, or like Bill Clinton, who was accused of rape by several women, who sexually abused a young intern, like all of the liberal heroes of the world who at one time committed horrific acts but are now considered God like. Yes, Nelson Mandela, baby killer, friend of dictators and terrorists, he is one solid hero, a great man, someone who did horrific things but who now is considered akin to the second coming. RUBBISH.

  99. Wasn’t Mandela in jail with only a single visit and letter per year during the time of the bombings listed?

  100. I am an South African, and you know what! I wouldnt care if he killed some one, he turned his life around and forgave the people and the people forgave him. If he never entered the role as president in this country why it would be like Zimbabwe or Ethiopia even worse Iraq. He settled the hate between the races, between the different skin colours. So if your child killed someone, blew up a building, or even stole R5, and he repented and changed his life over for the good, what may I ask would you say? So I’m sorry if you dont know what you talking about go to hell. If Nelson Mandela didn’t change the hearts of the leaders and people of this country we would all possibly be dead or live in HELL. You all are quick to say but look at his past look what he “has” done, no one says but look at what he is doing. Stop harping at the past, the man changed his life around and a country near Civil War, so how dare you say this. No one says anything about the Calambine shootings, some stupid kids killing everyone in a school some satanic nuts. So please give it a rest, the country is going to hell now with our retarded president Zuma who steals our tax money to upgrade his house and build new homes for his families. May you should focus your attention on this Idiot that is still alive????

  101. In 1964 Nelson Mandela, who had
    formed Umkhonto we Siswe, the military arm of the ANC, was imprisoned for 156
    acts of violence, to which he pleaded guilty.

    In 1964 Martin Luther King Jr. received the Nobel
    Peace prize for combating racial inequality through nonviolence.

  102. While I don’t agree with immortalizing ANY man/woman/child/animal…etc, it seems VERY hypocritical to me, that heroes like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Daniel Boone, General Cluster, are allowed to exist without this kind of vitriol. But a man/woman/child/animal on any other race (especially Black) has to have to battle for those same “honors.” They even did it to Martin Luther King (making sure we knew he was an adulterer), but they will defend to the death, Jefferson’s relationship with his slave (Sally Hemmings) as a “love” affair.

    • of course you are correct. people don’t want to hear that about themselves though. they don’t want to accept that they’re hypocrites. they don’t want to accept that they choose to be ignorant. they don’t want to accept that they’ve been manipulated into fools. so they just get really really angry and frustrated. All of my posts in here have been made in good fun with a smile on my face. George W. Bush – terrorist. American revolutionaries – terrorists.

    • I keep seeing this same thing copied/pasted by liberals all over today. Yet another copy/paste liberal who doesn’t know what they stand for until someone tells them what to believe.

  103. Isn’t this lacking a bit of respect here? Why must you spit on his grave? If you go to a funeral, you say good things about a person. If it’s your funeral, do you want people who attend and give a final speech say: “Ey, it was a good person, but please look and see these wrongdoings that I made a research about for this occasion.”?

    And concerning racism vs whites in Africa, I invite you to read my blog http://istillgotoschool.wordpress.com.
    All counter racism we (whites) face is because we haven’t found the humility to apologize for the atrocities our ancestors committed. Those are repercussions which are not our personal fault, but somebody we share traits with. They have passed away since, so how can we expect them to apologize?

    • None of my ancestors owned any slaves so I ain’t apologizing for shit. Take that white guilt and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

      • Yes, exactly why would a third generation American of Eastern European extraction have to apologize for anything? In fact, anybody harboring resentment towards me because of slavery is, well, an idiot. Truth is, race-baiting is nothing but a dollars game and I won’t play it. AJ doesn’t owe anybody anything, and I’ll keep telling him that.

        • If my grandparents build a home many years ago, i receive it, and i invite my girlfriend to live in it, she will still have to adapt to the home build before i could ever decide how it should be build, maybe im not responsible for the way it was build, but i sure am able to understand the difficulty of living in it for her. So or we build a new home, or we change the old home. But i will not neglect her wishes.

          • yes, because it is true, we claim to be caring people, so lets care about our other “parts”…well, those other parts can not feel at home in the home our parents build, maybe its time to listen to them and help them to feel at home. As much “those other parts” need to help us. Its true the anology is not the best one, but the logic behind is true. We have a responsibility, maybe not guilt, but sure responsibility. The other solution would be returning to ignorance which needs a self justification by blaming the other to be guilty or to apartheid, and we all know it something to be evil. Or is a not mercifull existance not evil ?

      • you should apologize for being a fucking retard. you should apologize to me. i am white… and many people hear your words, then look at me, and assume that i am as FUCK stupid as you. you owe me an apology you ignorant piece of shit.

      • Nor mine. Both sides of mine (in canada) were slaves at some point to the nelgihs. The Irish and the acadians!

    • Do us all a favor and kill yourself to repent of your forefathers’ sins, you white guilt-ridden piece of shit.

      • randir14. Do you really want to know who were and are slave divers? type ” john alembillah azumah ” in search box of YouTube and listen to him

      • The first black slave in america was sold by a black man in africa. The man who ended slavery in America in 1865 was a white christian man from England. The same time there were black slaves, there were white slaves from scotland, and Ireland under the British.

        • “The man who ended slavery in America in 1865 was a white christian man from England.” What?

          & what did the Irish & Scottish people do?

  104. When did Nelson Mandela ever plead guilty? His plea at Rivonia was not guilty. That’s why there was a trial.

    • “guilty to 156 acts of public violence” – Did you confuse this figure with
      the 156 people (of all races) who were acquitted in the 1956 “Treason” trial, Mr. Jenkins, or did you simply extract this number from your arse?

    • And did Mandela help found the MK in 1961? Yes
      Did Mandela (who was imprisoned from 1964 to 1990) have anything to do with the late 80’s bombings? No

      As a “Deputy Political Editor” Mr. Jenkins, perhaps you need an editor editing YOU.

  105. An interesting article. Sadly, the world likes to divide people into “good” and “bad” categories, with no shades of grey in-between.

    OK, Stalin and Hitler were bad.

    But very few others are 100% Good.

    In America, many young people like to follow the Dali Lama – imbuing him with this saintliness that is undeserved.

    The reality of the Dali Lama is that he and his brother were both on the CIA payroll. He is fabulously wealthy, with homes all over the globe. He is homophobic and NOT a vegetarian, by the way. And if put in charge of Tibet, would rule it like the Taliban. The Dali Lamas were the Shahs of Tibet, not saintly monks.

    But that doesn’t sell bumper stickers.

    Mother Teresa – surely SHE is 100% pure as the driven snow, right?

    Well, some criticize her. While she has done a lot to help the poor and people dying on the streets in India, her work doesn’t extent to PREVENTION of the underlying causes of this poverty and death. Things like birth control and social justice are not on her radar screen. So, if you are dying in the streets, she will make you a nice bed, but won’t do much to prevent your 10 children from suffering a similar fate.

    Nelson Mandela is in a similar vein. There is a lot of gooey happy-talk going on in the States right now. But in the back of my mind, I keep thinking, “Gee, wasn’t he imprisoned for KILLING people?”

    And indeed, he was deemed a terrorist (and the ANC a terrorist organization) until fairly recently.

    As the author of the above article points out, once in power, Mandela and the ANC did not really do much different than their white supremacist predecessors. South Africa is still a country troubled with poverty and violence.

    I guess if Mandela has any chance at sainthood it is in that he changed later in life, and renounced violence.

    I guess that’s something.

  106. Daniel you do make me laugh. It is obvious you have not been educated. White people moved into South Africa 600 years ago. They have a right to be there. They also did not have slavery as they did in America. In fact until the 1940’s there was no apartheid. And the country was an English colony until the 1940’s. There are many white South Africans that were also arrested for being anti apartheid. This is what happens when you go against any government in the country you live in. I am also a 40 year old white South African and I could only vote when I was 18 years old. I voted IFP not ANC. Do you know who the IFP are? I am white but I am a Zulu. I am sure this will confuse you but it would not confuse a South African. My family and I did not support apartheid or the ANC. As most South Africans, we wanted racism to end but we did not want Mandela as ruler for many reasons. I hid Zulu woman and children in my home because leading up to the elections, the ANC were murdering any black person who would not vote for them. During apartheid, the South African government allowed the Zulus their own land. They had a King and they were very patriotic. Mandela took this away from them. I am also not a rich white South African. In fact there are many of us. My children are also of mixed race. Do you understand this? When you want to generalise White South Africans keep this in mind. My children do not want people like you talking for the coloured races. You are an embarrassment. I am also not ignorant. If you look up racism it does not only have to do with the colour of your skin. So Daniel my mixed race South African family would like to point out that you are a racist my friend. Go crawl back into that hole you came from. Maybe you can pick up a book and educate yourself.

    • you actually are NOT educated, and you ARE ignorant. and half of your post, the part where you were trying to be informative… you just repeated what I’ve been saying the whole time. Learn how to read dick. And actually… there was a South-asian woman on here who lived through South African apartheid, and she was thanking me for my posts, because I’m one of the few people on here who were showing compassion for what she had been through during apartheid… and she certainly did not see me as a racist. so her post carries 100,000,000,000 times more importance than the ramblings of an idiot like yourself.

        • allow me to fix this for your friend. what you meant to say was “Intellect often mocks and dismisses stupidity and bigotry using vulgarity.” What stupidity does do though is see vulgarity and assume that an argument has been lost simply because of the presence of profanity. You need to smarten up my friend.

  107. Come on everyone. Clearly Daniel is just amping you all up. His comments actually make me smile because the more he is in hisher safe haven the less he is mixing in society out in the real world. Keep it up Daniel and stay in your bedroom. I look forward to your next colourful reply. Don’t hold back as it does not influence my emotional state at all. Yawn.

  108. you are a liar and biased.Guessing you expected blacks to live as dogs in their own country.How can you say a liberation war hero is a terrorist and killer.He is the saint you hate.The man who stopped a handful whites from domineering forever.
    i live in south africa,im actually angry he became a bit too soft.Why didnt he actually chase many whites and allies.why didnt he kill the dictators.
    Mark my worst,they shall rise a young mugabe in south africa…his name is Julius Malema..he shall fix the imbalance and bring power back to us black people and all real loyal dedicated non racial south africans.

  109. Are you trying to say that Mandela was responsible for those “highlights” that you have listed (dated from in between 1983-1988) when he was a political prisoner from 1963-1990, and was only allowed to write 1 letter every 6 months and allowed 1 30min visit each year?

    You make some fine points, but you are clutching at straws with that one. At least present a balanced argument.

    • I can get paid for calling you a dick hole? Where do I sign up to get a job like that? Do I get paid more for making you look like an idiot dick cheese?

  110. Daniel ,race ,colour, religion and everything else aside you must be one of the most nasty vulgar individuals currently polluting this planet . You’re an embarrassment to any viewpoint.

    • whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! name calling offends me!!!! whaaaaaa!!!! (as you defend people calling Mandela names) you tool.

  111. “Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party.”… WOW… It suddenly came to me why our usurper, congress and MSM literally foam at the mouth over this guy!…

  112. Were Leftists similarly broken up when Idi Amin croaked?
    She was a piker compared to her husband in the killing department, but Winnie Mandela had a penchant for torturing children, so presumably the Leftists will shed sincere tears when she goes. Their choices in idols are at least bizarre.
    Well, as Joe Biden said, he belongs to the cages now.

  113. Mandela’s jailing started in 1962 and ended in 1990.
    The example highlights of his terrorist actions listed here are from 1983 to 1988

    How was he able to do that ???

    • He (and his organisation) was very well financed (Gaddafi for one) and anything can be achieved through bribery and corruption.

  114. Well as cruel as Apartheid was Massacring innocent blacks who turn themselves and for no papers. Manadela was not a terriorst but a freedom fighter. George Washington and the Continental Army use guerrilla warfare attacks against the British. the UK considered the father of our nation a terrorist well into the civil war. So much so that they helped fund the south during the civil war. So is a cliché says “one terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter and one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist” in the end he used peace to end Apartheid!

  115. the article smacks of white xenophobes still upset over the fact apartheid ended. there was a peaceful means to end apartheid without the “terrorists” actions you condemn but overlook the fact it was the blood of oppressors that was spilled. There were no ‘innocent’.. to remain silent while the boot of the oppressor is against the head of another is your approval not your condemnation therefore you are just as guilty.

  116. I have a friend from South Africa, who writes:

    “He belonged to a banned terrorist group the ANC and yes they were
    terrorists who put bombs in children’s arcades and family restaurants
    and killed innocent people including children. And no, we have not
    forgotten what they did (much like the IRA in Ireland) but they were
    fighting for their freedom as they put it but there is no doubt they
    were terrorists fighting for a “cause”. Apartheid however, was wrong on
    every level and to be fair I suppose if I was an oppressed black person
    living under Apartheid I would probably be a ring leader in the
    forefront of the struggle. What they did was wrong but so was
    apartheid, Mandela was not the ANC they were made up of a lot of people
    like Oliver Tambo, Chris Hani etc. who all went in to exile and Mandela
    was the scapegoat, he got to go to prison where he probably belonged.
    Moving forward 27 years, the admiration and respect for the man comes
    from the fact that Apartheid was over and it was inevitable that
    something had to be done and releasing Mandela was a very brave move on
    the part of the then SA President FW De Klerk. The way Madiba handled
    the situation with patience, forgiveness and called for a peaceful
    resolution is where the admiration comes in. He quite easily could have
    called for an uprising and the country would have ended in a civil war
    with bloodshed and mayhem. One the white South Africans would probably
    not have won due to the sheer numbers involved.

    As for his wife Winnie, she is a criminal and really does belong in
    prison. She murdered Stompie one of her football club kids along with
    dozens of others I’m sure that we don’t even know about. That woman is
    filled with hatred and is a thief, criminal, murderess and bad to the
    bone. I think after being in prison for so long and coming out and
    realising what she had been doing and had done Madiba realised that
    needed to distance himself from her, hence him divorcing her, because
    she preached hatred and he wanted peace. How can you not respect a man
    that managed to achieve what no man had does before and deliver a
    transformation of a country under Apartheid peacefully. Look at the
    rest of Africa, I rest my case.”

    So what do you say to that?

    • Thank you for that. The jackbooted thugs (actually snaggle-toothed alcoholics) who are members of The American Teatard Party have lots of offensive things to say about Mandela. But they’re ignorant of what they had for breakfast, must less what has happened in American or world history. I’ve been waiting for a response from a real South African who was there.

      • And leftists will readily turn their backs on the truth if it benefits them. Liberals have long been supporters of revisionist history. Thanksgiving is portrayed as a a feast to thank the Native Americans, while it started as a feast to thank God. The Civil War is told as a war between those who wanted slaves and those who wanted freedom, while slavery was a fringe issue almost until the end of the war. More recently, liberals will tell you that greedy banks caused the housing bubble but mention nothing of the CRA which REQUIRED banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods where banks knew the individuals wouldn’t be able to repay loans.

        You wanna talk about ignorance? Let’s start talking.

  117. Technically- he was imprisoned from 1963 to 1990- so he formally was not responsible for the acts of terror that happened during his stay in prison. It’s almost like blame Rudolf Hess imprisoned in England since 1941, for what Rudolf Hoess and Nazis did in Auschwitz from 1942 until 1944.

  118. all the good this man has done and yet the media still want a piece of him, those educated understand his trials, his errors. but i also know that few of us are exempt from mistake. my point being that what this man symbolises, wether it be iconic or not, is hope.

  119. It is to bad that to many do not and therefore will not see the downfalls of those they put on pedestal! Criminals do Criminal Acts and it doesn’t matter if they think they are doing them for the right reasons or not! I applaud Mandela for admitting his errs and tried somewhat to make up for them but that does not negate the fact that he had Thousands killed! God can Forgive him and we should too but he still did the acts and we should not forget that he did them!

  120. the article is so weak, it should be enhanced. for instance, how many people died with these terrorist actions, how many of them are babies, children and women. and also we would like to see a comparable table on economic issues such as unemployment, economic unbalance between black and white south africans. could be given some examples about a few black elites who became billioner after regime change while the situation was not change for most of the black south africans.

  121. Why use terms like “retard” its very odd ? This discussion has gone off the rails very badly. Let’s just stop and be kind to each other. Make a start with your own behavour, stop cracking each others nuts ! It so caveman.

  122. Truth is a harsh thing. It’s unforgiving and uncompromising. and doesn’t care about your feelings. And you might bury it, but it’s always there,always alive.

  123. The late SA president P.W. Botha told Mandela in 1985 that he could be a
    free man as long as he did just one thing: ‘publicly renounce
    violence’. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until
    the appeaser Pres F.W. de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom
    line is that Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced violence.When
    Mandela was arrested on his Rivonia farm hideout near Johannesburg, the
    following munitions and bomb-making equipment were confiscated with him
    and his courageous comrades.

    •210,000 hand grenades
    •48,000 anti-personnel mines
    •1,500 time devices
    •144 tons of ammonium nitrate
    •21,6 tons of aluminium powder
    •1 ton of black powder

    • Oh is that why he remained in prison? While Botha murdered on mass and with impunity. How unreasonable of Mandela when all he had to do was abandon his people and enter a pact with the devil.

      What a pity they didn’t use those munitions ‘supposedly discovered’ by the Apartheid henchmen of the dictator Verwoerd as an excuse to execute these democrats at the kangaroo trial. I would have, after the slaughter of all those defenseless men and women at the Sharpville massacre.

      All you crypto-fascists can squeal all you like but the fact remains that the A.N.C., was and is a multi racial democratic organisation that fought for the right to self determination for all, won democratic elections and established a free and open society that forgave and left free the mass murderers that your kind of stinking pond life try and defend.

      Shame on you.

  124. I dated a girl in Capetown, SA in the late 90’s. She said, “You
    Americans are so uninformed. You think he’s a peace leader. We say he
    was a terrorist. He wasn’t in jail for political reasons. He was in
    jail because he killed people!”

    I learned a lot there. I visited his former cell and it was fairly
    mundane. Not shrine-like. But you are right, he was a Marxist and used
    violent methods to achieve his aims. Too bad the press will gloss over
    this.

    • try to oppress an entire race of people and violate their basic human rights…. and you should be expecting more than a few deaths to come your way… shouldn’t you? Chances are your Cape Town girlfriend was a racist bitch pining for the days of segregation and apartheid. not that i’ll reach you because you’re likely exactly the same.

      • They allowed the black refugees into their country (as we have the Mexicans) eventually the blacks just entered illegally then when there were enough of them the violence started. You know nothing about South Africa, apartheid was a country saving measure which failed. Just wait we in the states will be facing the same thing when there are enough Illegals to overthrow us.

        • you’re a xenophobe, an alarmist and an idiot…. in no particular order. That’s the problem with stupid people like you. It’s always us against them. Illegals (minorities) aren’t going to overthrow me, or us. Maybe minorities will have more votes to be represented at higher levels. But I don’t see that as “whites are being overthrown!!!” It’s called a democracy. You’re just really really stupid.

          • At last someone that hasn’t escaped from a lunatic asylum. I don’t know what possesses me to argue on these sites when really I should just let all of these nasty filthy pigs wallow in their sty.

          • Phobia is defined as an unreasonable fear put simply, there is nothing unreasonable about the invasion by millions of third worlders. You sir are naive, they want the land and will KILL to get it, you and those that you love might be in the way of their goal. They are taught from earliest childhood that most of America was stolen from them, they call themselves the indigenous people of Aztlan. They will take half of America if we allow them to, SEND THEM HOME. They live in a toilet and will do the same to America. They have displaced black families from neighborhoods that they have settled. I feel very sorry for you in that I believe that you believe in your rhetoric. Whether you believe it or not those illegal invaders are as much a danger to Americans as are islamic terrorists.

          • oh man. you are a gem… of stupidity. you are… THE perfect propaganda target. A heart full of hate and fear, and a brain as blank as a new canvas. I would love to meet your family sir… as well as your cat. I’m intrigued.

          • I am a Native American, they tried to take this country before and WE stopped them, with bow and arrow and a willingness to die to keep them OUT.

        • By the sounds of your spastic stupidity I’d be wishing they hurried up and got rid of you. What a moron.

    • Pity you didn’t date her in the 1980’s as you sound like a perfect couple that would have loved racist segregation. Come to think of it, what a pity you were not living in 1950’s Alabama….or were you?

      • So let me get this straight. You are calling me a racist for pointing out the fact that Mandela used violence to achieve his aims and that perhaps we shouldn’t lionize him as a hero without also acknowledging his failures? Mandela himself acknowledged them. All the people on this site are saying is that the Western press is completely glossing it over and calling him a hero. He’s not. And we should be careful to remember that noble ends don’t justify violent means, no matter how tempting those goals are.

        • So you are against the war to stop Hitler. You are against the right to self defense. You believe that the U.S.A. should still be a British colony and that poverty stricken British villagers should have paid for the huge cost of defending the American colonies while rich greedy middle aged white men like George Washington should have paid nothing towards their own defense. You agree then that George Washington was a terrorist that had far less right than the indigenous people like Mandela had to fight for their rights from oppressive invaders.

          Well done on being a passive conscientious objector that believes that ‘noble ends don’t justify violent means’ but for the record, your formulating an opinion by what your Cape Town girlfriend in the 90’s believed after her indoctrinated Apartheid era ‘education’ schooling said, I know as I was also there and have the scars to prove it but had the intelligence to fight it…yes, I’m calling you a racist and stupid and clueless. What ‘violence’ did Mandela commit? a lot less than is committed in one week with one of your presidents drone attacks.

          • Why so much hate, jackscht? Are you pro-Mandela? Good but seems you don’t precisely imitate the “forgivness and love to all” of your hero

          • You just fell prey to Godwin’s Law. “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1”

            End of discussion.

  125. This is the first day I’ve ever heard of this ridiculous site… but you regulars here… you are the fringe of f**king civilization. You’re on the fringe of society. You will forever come to this sh*t website and hide anonymously with your idiotic screennames, spewing your stupid opinions and propaganda… and the rest of the educated world will look down on you and your ignorance from further and further above… as you further marginalize yourself through idiocy ….until eventually you die off… and the world will sip champagne. So until we meet in the after life and I kick the shit out of you…. Tchau!

    • You couldn’t knock out a wank in a blue-movie theatre… Some of what you’ve said it quite funny… In the sense that you’re a complete cleft…
      I would happily spark you straight out you self righteous, white guilt ridden wanker…

  126. The evil old terrorist man is dead. good:) After researching some real documented history I have come to learn that this idiot killed so may innocence and aligned himself with some nasty characters.

    The mainstream media doesn’t want you to know about. lol

  127. 75% of the conservative retards posting on this comment section don’t even know what apartheid is. lol. a thick group you guys are.

    • 100% of the DanialHillards posting on this comment section don’t even know what rational thinking is.
      lol. A thick group of guy you are.

    • Sugar britches – we are all very well aware of what Apartheid WAS. Problem is, you left wing Socialist Terrorist try DESPERATELY to rewrite history. Problem is, you cannot get in sync with all other organizations across the globe.

      HINT: Humans Rights Campaign revealed that MORE BLACKS were murdered during Apartheid by OTHER BLACKS than by WHITEY!

      • And? there is no correlation in your tiny mind between murder and abject poverty, violence, torture,mass displacement of populations,slave labour…..and the Apartheid policies? Really !! it’s just those pesky blacks that can’t help killing each other while herded into their ghetto slums by us whites lounging by our swimming pools.

        HINT: YOU have the audacity to use the word DESPERATE. Ha ha ha bloody ha.

        • you are 100% right. i would have told him the same, but it’s a waste of time really to try and explain to these people anything that involves common sense. Of course if you starve a people and give them poverty, there will be more crime amongst themselves… does the fact that they committed more crimes against themselves while forced into poverty than whites committed against them legitimize apartheid? OF COURSE NOT. But these people on this board are crazy. they will point to it as some sort of concrete proof that white people implementing apartheid wasn’t a problem. the stupidity levels on here are off the charts.

          • And those ‘crimes’ were committed against collaborators with the regime, often just to try and survive admittedly but there, it was a matter of life and death. What’s the excuse with Manning and Snowdens treatment.

            Yes, with this lot it’s pointless, they just want to reinforce their point and not hear anything that would disprove their belief, like trying to argue with a religious fanatic that there is no proof of an omnipotent superbeing god.

          • “Of course if you starve a people and give them poverty, there will be more crime amongst themselves”

            Why has the black South African crime rate skyrocketed over the twenty years after white rule if the black South African crime rate is, as you suggest, a byproduct of the whites starving black South Africans and forcing them into poverty?

            Based on your hypothesis, the black South African crime rate should be dropping the further away from white rule we get, but the opposite is occurring.

        • YAWN! Then blacks need to stop allowing themselves to be enslaved on the Democrats Government Plantations whereby the GOVERNMENT dicates your piss poor education + food stamps + welfare + section 8 housing + health care ……… they give you just enough to get your head above the water whilst keeping you from climbing out of the water.

          Prove me wrong.

          • hey. dumbfuck. you’re talking about America. This is a conversation about South Africa. I know you’re well too fucking stupid to understand that there are cultural differences between America and Africa…. but put some effort in you shit bag.

          • Dear Illiterate dip shit – you clearly miss the fundamental EXACTION of the government in South Africa and in the US. BOTH enslave their peoples, either by force, by government dictated means or both as seen in South Africa.

            Africa has the HIGHEST enslaved peoples in the world, this includes SOUTH AFRICA. – FACT!

            Africa, including South Africa via government force and corruption keeps a good portion of its people poor and dependent on the government to be thankful for whatever little bread crumbs they throw at them. – FACT!

            Africa, including South Africa has no issues killing its people for not going along with their political ideology. Thankfully not something known to happen here in the US.

            With your feeble mind, you clearly missed the point. Though in fairness, I should have left it on topic to SA only.

    • the source is none other than the Human Right Commission submitted as evidence to the TRC in 1997.

      The statistics they proffered relate to the number of blacks killed between the years 1948 up to the election in 1994.

      The total number of blacks killed were 21 000. That falls quite a bit
      short of 30 000 but wait, it gets more interesting. It’s not the full
      story.

      The HRC report also makes a distinction between two
      periods. One from 1948 till 1989 and the next from 1990 to the election
      in 1994. The number killed for the period from 1948 until 1989 is 7 000. A helluva lot less than 30 000 wouldn’t you think?

      That means the number killed from 1990 to 1994 which is AFTER the unbanning of the ANC and for all intents and purposes apartheid had ended is a whopping 14 000, involving mostly black on black violence between the ANC and the IFP and various other factions! Not whitey’s fault.

      Of the 14 000 killed during those 4 years, 92% of deaths were caused by blacks killing blacks. Only 5.6% were attributed to the Security Forces at the time and usually in retaliation to attacks initiated by the ANC/UDF that had been unbanned. Remember Ciskei? The difference in % is due to unknown causes.

      What this means is that during the apartheid reign of 41
      years, 7 000 blacks died compared to double the amount of dead in just 4
      years! Let me break it down yet further, 170 blacks were killed as a
      result of apartheid ANNUALLY. That’s 170 people per year! That’s the HRC figures people! Sounds like an insignificant number now doesn’t it?
      Contrast that with over 200 white farmers dying annually since 1994.

      More blacks then were killed under De Klerk’s ‘new’ anti-apartheid
      government of 4 years than in 41 years of government under full blown
      apartheid! How good was the propaganda of the anti-apartheid movement
      eh?!

      Let me summarise, this needs to sink in:

      1948 – 1989: 7 000
      1990 – 1994: 14 000 (of which 92% as a result of ‘black-on-black’ violence)

      Really, is this the death toll of the “heinous” apartheid system the world grew to hate? Just 7000 deaths? And was it the worst thing to happen in the 20th century? Um, let’s look at the Left’s favourite socialist/
      communist/ marxist/ dictators leaders to name but a few:

      Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) : 23 million (the purges plus Ukraine’s famine)

      Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) : 78 million

      Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79): 1,7 million

      Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78): 1,5 million

      Apartheid: 7 000.

        • Why don’t you give your glorious socialist leader Guevara a blow job I hear he loved Blacks and by love I mean if he had his way he’d have put them in cages.

  128. Mandela passed on control over the ANC and South Africa to Thabo
    Mbeki, his longtime comrade and a “former” SACP member. Mbeki
    subsequently lost out in a power struggle with another Mandela comrade
    and prison mate, Jacob Zuma, also a “former” SACP member, who is
    accelerating the ANC’s destructive policies as the current president of
    South Africa.

    • Zuma has continued the Tripartite Alliance, the formal agreement
    among the ANC, SACP and COSATU, which guarantees that the SACP and the
    Communist-dominated COSATU will back the ANC as the Communist-run front
    group that runs South Africa.

    • In 1998, at age 80, Mandela married for the third time, to Graca
    Machel, the widow of Mandela’s longtime ally, Samora Machel, the
    ruthless Communist dictator of the People’s Republic of Mozambique.
    Graca was a longtime member of FRELIMO, the communist terrorist
    organization run by her husband that took control of Mozambique in 1975.
    For more than a decade, she was a partner in Samora Machel’s vicious
    reign of murder and torture of men, women, and children, including even
    many of his FRELIMO comrades whom he turned against.

    ~_http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast

    • Dumb dumb please tell us all the names of all the corporations that your so called ‘communist’ South African ANC government has nationalised in that case…as they are communists according to you. [I’m a Socialist [just like jesus christ] and wish they had]

      So what if Mandela married Graca Machel, two elderly lonely people. Her husband had been assassinated by the racist white Apartheid dictatorship after bravely fighting a war against the RENAMO terrorists armed and supported by the racist white dictatorships of Apartheid South Africa and Ian Smiths pariah sanctioned state of Rhodesia.

  129. So your argument is that not one word of praise should be uttered for Nelson Mandela ever, his image burnt and forgotten, his name stricken from history ALL because he acted like every American President ever? And remind me which one of them spent 18 years in prison?

    An alternative title to this article could be “1 thing you probably already knew about Lee Jenkins–he’s a tremendous douchebag.”

    P.S. There is no such thing as being a murderer through the transitive property. You either pulled the trigger or you didn’t.

    VIVA MANDELA!

  130. Why was apartheid a “crime against humanity”?
    There were good reasons for that! Only this way South-Africa could become a high-level civilized country.

    • Was it not before 1948 when the NATS won the limited election? Why didn’t everywhere need Apartheid to become a ‘high-level civilised country then?

  131. If he’s a terrorist, then by that standard, so were the founding fathers, and members of the confederacy.

  132. The LIBS love evil. The LIBS love terrorism. The families of Mandela’s victims most likely feel differently, but what the heck, it was a JUST CAUSE, right? NOT! My family has been victimized by terrorists. No matter how much good these terrorists decide to do in the future, I will NEVER FORGIVE them. They should ROT IN HELL, even if they develop a cure for cancer. Why? Because my little one was standing there, cheering his uncle on in the Boston Marathon, waving a flag and smiling from ear to ear. Then suddenly, the terrorist bomb ripped my little nephew into 1000 unrecognizeable pieces. If these SCUM terrorists become civic leaders, and end all racial animosity, if they cure AIDS, if they enable world peace forever, I STILL WANT THEM TO ROT IN HELL. When it is my turn, I will meet my nephew in Heaven, and spit down upon those scum who took my little one. My little one will be there to help me with the spitting.

    • DING! DING!

      Call off the search! We’ve found the stupidest person on the internet!
      allessior! allessior! allessior! allessior!

      • Ladies and gentleman, as you can see, Red Garbage makes very concise, cogent arguments to support his positions.  For example, his primary thesis is that the American Revolution was akin to Apartheid, and that revolutionaries were in fact not intent on killing the adult enemy (the British soldiers) but rather, the American revolutionary guerillas went about planting bombs where they knew children would be, to kill children and women as a scare tactic, a terrorist attack if you will.  You can see support for this brilliant thesis by the extremely well written phrase, “allessior!  allessior!  allessior!  allessior!”. You see, even though most novice political junkies would not be able to understand it, Red Carnage uses a very rare technique, where the “rhythm” of the phrase acts as a code for the actual thesis.  Luckily, having studied the behavior of the Neanderthal, I am one of the few that can infer the argument that Red Riding Carnage is making, namely, that the revolutionary guerillas used the killing of women and children as a terror tactic to get their way with the Crown, just like Nelson Mandela did.  Fortunately, that was not the case, but rather, the Americans were intent on taking as many British soldiers and political representatives as they could, never ever using the citizenry, in a purposeful manner, as guinea pigs to make a point.  

        However, you cannot argue with the sheer genius of Red Robbin’s arguments, since “allessior!” used in repeated rhythmic ways conveys several meanings that only people of such ungenius can make.  

        And Red Ranger also helps us understand the kind of critical thinking necessary to participate in such debates.  Many readers might conclude that using a person’s name in repetitive fashion indicates a lack of intelligence, a lack of cogency, an inability to develop a thesis and properly support the thesis with factual data.  But alas, Red Robin Hood has the last laugh because his use of repetitive, Neanderthal  patterns accomplishes the same thing, but only for those capable of understanding what seem to be nonsensical patterns of dribble, but are in reality some form of conveyance that very few can understand.

    • In your eyes… the American revolutionaries were terrorists too then? Red Cabbage was right. You really are the stupidest person on the internet. If you want to honor your nephew… educate yourself so you stop sounding like a ranting, uninformed retard.

      • Typical LIB, resorting to name calling instead of making an intelligent, cogent argument to support your case. Was your child one of the children killed by a Mandela bomb? There are many such parents and grandparents who lost a little baby or toddler to a Mandela bomb. If Hitler had decided to reform after killing 6 million Jews, that is, if he brought everyone to the table’ called for peace, released prisoners, built homes for the Jews, helped them build a nation state, and generally brought people together and became a statesman, would you have supported Hitler then? If I go out today and plant bombs, and kill thousands for my “cause”, but I then became a healer, a moderator, an evangelical for peace, would you firgive me if one of my bombs had killed one or more of your loced ones? Let’s hear your argument, let’s hear your thinking. If all you have is vitriol, then that proves mybpoint: LIBS are terrorists at heart, leftists, communists, those who beleve in terror for a just cause. You expressed it in your juvenile rebuttal. In the mean time, my nephew is bliwn to bits, in heaven, killed by one if your kind, the kind that cannot stand to hear FACTS, the kind that expresses hate because you can’t express a decent thought.

        • you really are the stupidest person on the planet. liberals are terrorists? HAHAHAAA!!! you little nephew was blown to bits by my kind?? LOL. You think the Boston Marathon bombers were liberal??? HAHAHAAAAA!!! They were like you… just a different belief system. You think Hitler was a liberal numb nuts??? You think Osama Bin Laden was a liberal numb nuts? THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL CONSERVATIVES LIKE YOU!!!! You are likely to be the next bomber, because you’re an idiot and a psychopath. Granted, Bin Laden and Hitler were both about a million times smarter than you. Liberals believe in tolerance and equality and living with each other. Hitler andBin Laden and you believe in my way or the highway. Us against them. But obviously I’m wasting my time by comunicating with the dumbest person on the planet. I wish that bomb had blown you to bits. You’re a f*ckin idiot of the highest order for sure.

          • DanielHilliard, the evil is just dripping from you. Look at your typical LIB reaction, full of hate. I can tell you are possessed by a daemon, as are most LIBs, because instead of offering an “adult” counter argument, you are offering nothing but name calling and poison. And that just inducates, as with all LIBS, that you don’t have a fact-based, reasoned counter argument. Yes, my neohew was killed by a terrorist in Boston. I had a very simple question for you which you arecapparently incapable of answering. The question is, if these terrorists go on to become great moderators, great staresman, whill you forgive them for killing the hundreds of innocent people in Boston, or will you seek to have them punished as they deserve? Try to answer the question without resorting to Red Herring style name-calling and insults. Show us that you have at least a gram of intelligence and try to form a thought.

          • they didn’t kill hundreds of people in the boston marathon. you’re a liar, an idiot and a psychopath who is clearly mentally unstable. you should keep watching fox news all day… i’m sure it’s doing wonders to help your mental instability.

          • Again, typical LIB behavior: inability to answer a direct question with a direct answer. Instead, you resort to poison, vitriol, name calling, and hate. I will try to help you by attempting to exorcise the daemons in your body with this prayer: “Dear Lord,,the Almighty, please cast away the evil inhabitants of Daniel’s body. Please provide him with the ability to write and speak with kind intelligence, instead of vitriol and hate for his fellow man. Please help him to control the bowel movements eminating from his mouth so that his words are without filth. Please help prevent Daniel from use of violent rhetoric as it could turn into physical manifestation. Lord, it is evident that the evil spirits within Daniel are Legion, and likely consist of Satan himself. Daniel is your creation, so as with all of God’s creations, we must at least try to save him. In your name, Jesus, we challenge the daemons but telling them to BE GONE, BE GONE, BE GONE from the body and mind of Daniel. We ask you this in the name of The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit, Amen.”

        • you might as well blame yourself for blowing up your nephew……because it was certainly someone who thinks the same way that you do. i’m pretty sure the marathon bombers who “killed your nephew” were trying to destroy American liberal policies as well. So they would have been your friends. Blame yourself sh*thead.

  133. every fucking political leader maybe with the exception of the founding fathers, who wrote the constitution to keep the gov’t a little weaker than the people, are corrupt, lying, fucking morons and all have blood on their hands (some more than others) but no one like Daniel should be pushing his views on everyone else and downgrading what people think. being a soldier I fight for the constitution and everyone has freedom of speech!!

    • i’m not saying they shouldn’t be able to say what they want. but i certainly can’t respect people who lie and rewrite history. they should be downgraded. they should be shamed for being retarded until they want to stop feeling like a retard so they choose to educate themselves and let the ignorance go.

  134. Saddest thing for SA is if the legacy of Mandela (he did help bring about change for the better and should be remembered as a truly gifted statesman) is torn apart by discrimination the other way then the future for SA is indeed bleak. No other African state ever seems to have managed stability and harmonious relations between black and whit so far as I know. Folk have to forget the past and build together. The question for me is can the memory of that truly great statesman help to bring about an example to the world, or will SA simply become another state ruled by despot after despot. I really hope the people of that nation (and no I’m not f rom there) remember the good and try to build on that. Sure there’s bad too but if all we do is to gaze in hatred, then everyone will lose.

  135. dude you are grasping for words or trying to put words in my mouth . You understand your history . Let us say Africans were doing that how did that affect the Europeans did you go there to stop these conflicts. Did that justify the enslavement of Africans in their own land. what about Australia did the aborigines do something to the settlers. So you explain your point what does African fighting among themselves have to do with the advent of slavery or locking a man up on his own land for 27 years pls explain

  136. Its strange reading comments on this page that has nothing to do with the article e.g. The problem with the argument regarding slavery is that their own people sold them into slavery. Black africans sold their own people to the whites so they are equally responsible. One thing we can say that all people throughout history was a slave at one point .e.g eqypt, roman empire etc. Going on to the issue of Mandela, there is no doubt that Mandela had some blood on his hands and so too did the apartheid government. One thing we have to remember that democracy in SA could have not been achieved if it was not for Mandela and De klerk putting their differences aside to save the countries future. Overall Mandela will always be remembered as a great South Africa for bringing believing that we have to unite for the common good whether we dont see eye to eye instead of going to war after he was released – we have to acknowledge that.

  137. Any chance here of some comments on the article above, rather than the irrelevant inaccurate statements and slander currently in the mix?
    Firstly. …..all the above bombings took place while Nelson was in detention and he was not then responsible as leader of MK for these actions…….

    Next point on arms purchases. ….given that south African military had been subject to sanctions on all military hardware so there for all hardware was manufactured in SA and often crude but effective.

    …these purchases simply modernized the SADF in relation to there neighbours as well as the world at large…….and given how the ANC came to oower one can forgive them for being a little paranoid no?

    Last point on Mandela Canoodling with dictators……re Suharto……I think he was simply thanking him for supporting the ANC over a period of time…….Sani Abacha …quiet diplomacy was always Madibas style and often paid dividends.

    So quite frankly this article is inaccurate and clearly has a sour grapes agenda and the comments made thereafter …….irrelevant as well as somewhat disturbing.
    BEE isn’t a perfect system by any means but there were many things that needed redressing……..and any system that was implemented would always be subject to scrutiny.
    Contrary to urban myths of white south africans that gapped it ….those that stayed and made the effort to integrate are doing very well indeed.
    Like any other place on this planet sometime we have to look further than our own backyard to make a living.

    • White African that sounds bloody hilarious
      But let me call myself English black or British
      They used to tell me
      ani’t no black in the Union Jack.
      White African and then you complain of BET TV black music Awards
      You want to have all the cake and leave no crumbs.

  138. Let me start of by saying , rest in peace Mr Mandela , may God be the judge of the life you led , as a Leader to many , a Profit of peace to many , a father to many, a husband to many , a son, but also a terrorist , a murderer , and a true politician with as many hidden agendas as the Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu himself. (oops I correct myself ,Madiba only had two wife’s, sorry Madiba , it is our current President who has 23 wife’s who all lives in luxury of the working class tax payers money)

    I am a South African to the core , with what I can say as a 40 year old white male who was born in the what you call the apartheid regime (please do a bit of googling on where and who brought slavery to south Africa , who the “Boere” really fought and how land was then traded for, and not just taken like so many is led believe)
    now 20 years later in the new democratic country have survived through this without any real big changes in my life , well till about a year ago when I was laid of at work.
    I started my professional career in 1993 after I did my military service in 1992, as a white south African male it was compulsory to do your military service after high school(note other ethnics were not disallowed to join it just was not compulsory to them). I did my trade qualification in 1995 and have ever since worked my way up through studies and other courses. After I was laid off I have applied to many companies and many of the replies I got from most was I have all the experience and qualification but because of my ethnic origin I do not qualify. Still I am positive as I know I was brought up in a good house with good moral values and that hard work pays off in the end , yet it is my children’s future I fear most for in this beautiful country as the Legacy Madiba left us white South Africans does not look very promising for our children , and this includes other ethnic groups children as well. Our Education standards has dropped to below what I call 5th world countries. By having a President that has barely passed Grade 8 it can only teach the children that you do not need education or hard work to get to the top you only need to make sure you are black and stand out as a freedom fighter for people of the black oppressed, all be it 20 years later and all are equal or are we .

    I know this letter sounds a bit more about me and not the great Late Madiba and yes I probably could write a book about the real life of a Middle class South African , but this is not the place and not what I want to do or am able to do , I just thought I should give everyone a bit of background about the everyday life of a normal son, father and husband , so that you understand why I feel compelled to add my thoughts to your blog.
    Lets just start of by adding my bit about the bombings and not only the ones you mentioned below as those are the ones you know of and was made public to the rest of the world through propaganda , Mandela like any other soldier fought for a country he believed to be he’s peoples land and not that of any white South African,and like the Americans have their history of battles against the indigenous people(Indians) it all was more about politics and power and like in the Americas also in this country owning land means you have power. What I have a problem with was in the ways these bombings took place. It was in total disregard for the innocent , woman and children. And yes he could have orchestrated it from Maximum prison , His first couple years in prison was probably not so nice as he was seen as a mass murderer and communist , but tell me how can someone with no education get a BA Degree in law while in maximum prison , and not be able to communicate any orders to the MK????
    He definitely had some influence and power while in prison.
    Secondly , when I was a kid I did not hate blacks , and I can tell you most of us did not hate them , we disliked only those that had total disregard for others , the senseless killings , the disregard for other peoples property and their morals( the rape of a two year old is ok , it will heal you from HIV) please look at statistics and not propaganda its a fact that more than 90% of the violence in this country are black people killing themselves and white farmers or burglaries that go south , the actual backbone of our countries economy.This is what apartheid meant to us white kids growing up . Blacks have there area and that’s it . Point Did you get that ! We were not taught to hate them , nor were we not taught they weren’t human or did not deserve to be treated as such. They had their own shops , own schools which by the way was exactly the same as ours with same standards , but just like today they do not have regard for it and they have no discipline. They don’t believe that they must earn their way but it is their right as they were previously disadvantaged. Let me tell you they were not , and if they want to blame anyone for their disadvantage they should stop blaming the previous regime or the white man , but their own fore fathers who did not teach them values or send them to school when it rains so hard that most schools closed down like my parents did , those who did not earn , those who believed we owe them. I worked with many black people in my life and the same age as me the same education as me , I just wonder how they got their education , and funny thing was I never heard them complaining about apartheid.
    So Madiba , thank you for confessing for your sins and thank you for trying to repair a broken country , you really did make a difference in many peoples lives and will for many years to come , that is if our current corrupt government don’t pocket it first. I feared the day you lay your head as I believe even when you were not president anymore you still had an influence on the powers in our country , but lets just hope I am wrong and this country does not become another Zimbabwe.

    • “Point Did you get that ! We were not taught to hate them , nor were we
      not taught they weren’t human or did not deserve to be treated as such.
      They had their own shops , own schools which by the way was exactly the
      same as ours with same standards , but just like today they do not have
      regard for it and they have no discipline. They don’t believe that they
      must earn their way but it is their right as they were previously
      disadvantaged”

      This is where you lost me. of course, you not taught to hate them but the systems put in place made them feel that way. Everything is very easier said than done. it is easy to ignore all the psychological burden this had to do on the entire race as a whole in the country compounded by the fact that this had been done to them in their motherland.

      I am sorry that you are not able to get a job, that is racism. However dont try to justify the sins of your forefathers in any way. I would rather be free than be educated!!

      • Joyce, like I said I did not agree with apartheid nor did I live it and I cannot justify things I never lived , and yes I am really sorry to those who really were treated wrong , but the fact remains that majority of the black youth of today and if you are around 19 years old only heard of apartheid and not lived it still feel we white people owe them , when even as a forty year old male I have never acted inhumane or seen another white person act inhumane towards a black person , but I have seen many black folk do it to their own kind while I did my military service. And as for me not getting a job , thank you for being sincere , but you know what I am doing fine, I took my situation and turned it into something positive by starting my own business , because crying racism is not going to provide for my family.PS,”I would rather be free than be educated!! “what is the use of being free but you do not have the mental capacity and tools to provide a future for yourself and your children. Do not under estimate the importance of a good education. I still have a concern that with the current state of affairs in SA , the education , BEE I have a real concern as what future our children have in SA.

        • and I totally i agree with you. youths who are 19 have no business complaining about the apartheid especially if they are able to go to school with the benefits afforded to them through BEE. they are better channeling their energy into school. I am black. I lost my parents. I was born poor like many south Africans. Difference is i had no whites around me to blame. so i took it upon myself to take my education seriously and get a job. right now, I am in the U.S doing a masters. The kids around me are not any more special than I am. That’s the attitude.

          The whites accumulated so much wealth during the apartheid era that despite any efforts, it is gonna take an entire generation to try to achieve the equality. Any efforts to see an immediate result is going to sink the economy by alienating the whites who are taking their riches into other countries.

          In America, the affirmative action saw results immediately because the blacks are the minority. In south Africa it cant work immediately. it will take a long time. and in the process the government needs to tap man power from the whites, who have the experience for now while slowly integrating the blacks in the mix. it doesn’t make sense to employ people who are not qualified for a job for the sake of their race.

          the best way to do it is buy empowering the poor(Blacks and whites) to go to schools through scholarships. when these people attain good education, they are bale to compete with the whites on the jobs,on a basis of qualifications, not RACE.

          Give people the hooks and let them fish for themselves.

    • You ever wondered if your ancestors sat thie ass down in their own country you may not have the problems you are having now.

      • You know I have to be honest , twice; once when I was about 8 years old(early eighties) and now that you mentioned it again Those years I thought what the heck are our minority white folk doing here ,trying to teach or educated people who rather be cooking their food over bon-fires as to using electricity , or build roads bridges and infrastructure if the majority would prefer to walk through the bush , the majority who’s young men die every year because of their ancestral ritual and believes(referring to circumcision ritual) , but hey let me also blame my ancestors for this just like you. Its all crap , I only knew and cared for people as far back as my grandparents , and how hard they had to work to provide for our family, and to ensure I get an education so that one they I can give my children the same and better. O and by the way , the problems I have you refer to I have, are past tense , I just used that situation as an example of what is happening in this country ,and not only to me,but since then I started my own business because contrary to most people crying apartheid , I did not blame my fore fathers or the black people or white people and demanded employment , I took what I learned from them to provide for my family , because that is how I was brought up.

  139. Whaaaaaaa!!!! My ancestors started a race war in south africa by oppressing an entire race!!! Now that we’re losing…..we want it to stop!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaa! Lol. You want to be upset with someone….write a letter to your father or grandfather who more than likely played a part in the oppression. Mandela was nice enough to forgive your ancestors by helping setting up the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and granting amnesty to the human rights violators. Everyone isnt so forgiving. Instead of moaning about him you should be thanking him. He probably saved your slag dads, uncles, grandfathers and brothers. You worthless, moaning shits.

  140. Thank you for bringing out your opinions in a very respectful manner. However, all those bombings you suggest happened in 80s, when he was in jail. I know you are going to tell me he delegated them. He may have, he may have not. What if these people were fighting under their own orders for him to be released? I heard that a lot of S. Africans protested and killed too asking for his release. are you going to blame all those deaths on him because he inspired the fight on liberation?

    I am 27. I cant imagine all my life in prison. I am sure if i came out and became president, I would send all my tormentors back to their ancestral homes(not that it is okay. I am speaking of what a carnal person would have done). however, he did the contrary. For that he served worldwide acclaim he is being given, despite starting out with evil intentions.

    But then again, you cant blame him for wanting to fight. In 1950s, throughout Africa, negotiations didn’t work. Most countries had to fight for independence shedding blood in the process and it was worth it.

    It is foolish for any blacks to hold any whites accountable for the sins of their ancestors. Similarly, it is foolish reading a lot of “white’ blogs referring to us as savages who were saved by the “white” man. when you or your ancestors have never lived in bondage before, you never cherish what it means to be free. I would rather be free and have no computer and I-pad than be a slave to someone and have all that.

    I don’t blame “whites” for African problems, we would always have these problems anyway. However, already existing murders don’t justify a genocide. I hope all ends well in S. Africa.

  141. Manson and Mandela did the same things.
    But their political motives were different from one to another.
    That’s all there is to it. Politically correct, you can do almost anything and get away with it.

  142. I have read a lot of these comments and I can see most of you people both white and black are really retarded, human beings are flawed and no matter how we try, we are alwaysgoing to get it wronv now and then. Referring to the colour of someones skin would define is ignorant and superficial. If as human beings we are ever going to achieve peace in this world we have to reconcile and forgive, thats what Mandela stood for and thats we he was a great man.

    • YOU ARE THE TRUE IDIOT. Race has everything to do with this topic, did you think apartheid was about gender or sexual orientation. lol

      • You are the idiot not me, because theres not such thing as race, apartheid would not exist if human beings where not so superficial and stupid like you

        • Lol well you are living in euphoria, I live in a world where race exists. It is up to us to respect everyone’s race, that is where the problems lies. I hate that stupid saying, I don’t see color, YES U DO, just respect the differences.

  143. It seems Caucasians want to tarnish his legacy and say he was violent and a terrorist. Well if you are white american, how do you look at yourself knowing you are the descendant of terrorist. Europeans darn near committed genocide against native americans after being taught how to survive in what is now america. If fighting against the oppression Mandela faced in South Africa makes him a terrorist, what does that make your ancestors. Also look at the years, he was in prison about 20 years, you mean to tell me Mandela (considered the most powerful enemy of SA) was able to run his organization for 20+ years from prison give me a break.

    • Americans with white skin come from all over the world, and few of them have ancestors that were in the US in 1850, much less owned slaves. Do you denounce the attempted genocide in Rwanda and slavery in Somalia as loudly as you do people whose impoverished grandparents came to the US a century ago?

      Though you may not realize it, your statement is racist.

      • You do realize the what the date July 4th, 1776 was don’t you?
        The US civil war fought from 1861 to 1865. Don’t let that stop you though.

  144. So why all the praise for this thug? Is the author saying that it is ok to kill innocent people and then be worshipped as a saint? Many, many innocen men, women, and children blown to bits by bombs that he ordered to be deployed. further, he supported dictators who were also brutal killers of the innocent. I never understood this mentality where evil people are worshipped, like that monster in Philadelphia who shot a polce officer multiple times and then finished him off with a point blank bullet to the head. I am appalled at the willingness of our politicians, conservatives included, to succumb to the political correctness of the name “Nelson Mandela”, terrorist.

    • Pehaps read below, where it is explained that the bombings listed above happened while he was in jail – bit of a long stretch to pin them on him.

    • I think he is saying it is acceptable to kill innocent people, take money from dictators who also kill innocent people and be a communist, as long as you say “I’m sorry”. Didn’t Obama just say “I’m sorry”?

      • care to explain how he was responsible for any of these acts cited when they occure 20+ years into his prison term? Do even 3 seconds worth of research and find out what happened at Mandela’s trial and what he said about gurilla tactics.

        • If you are the spiritual leader of a group. you still lead it’s basic outlook and tactics even if imprisoned. You may not lead day to day management, but even there you can have a substantial influence. This is true is US prisons, and it’s not a great stretch that it may (afaik not proven that it did) happen in South Africa. But Mandela himself says he regrets certain things he did, alluding to terrorist acts committed by the ANC.

          We like to set up people as all good or all bad, like the cartoons absorbed when we were 7. Batman and the Joker live fully the good or bad sides of the line, real people do not.

        • NM did not denounce violence. The trademark of his group in NM’s younger days was bombs to create terror, chaos. Like a Mafia Don, he also directed and sanctioned acts of violence from prison. It is rediculous now that MK is being worshipped as a saint, yet, there was hardly a word of praise for Margaret. Thatcher, who was a key figure in the winning of the Cold War. In fact, Obama did not bother to attend her funeral. When we praise those who committed and/or ordered acts of terror but who later became renowned leaders, then from logic it must follow that any terrorist is potentially a great statesman, which is THE HIGHT OF ABSURDITY. We might as well not chase after terrorists to bring themmto justice, because as NM shows, any terrorist is potentially a great statesman. RUBBISH.

          http://afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com/2013/06/nelson-mandela-bombs-amanzimtoti-23-dec.html

      • Yes, it is ok to kill, as long as in the end you have a just cause. If my government becomes oppressive, and I plant bombs by the Capitol in order to kill Congressmen, but as the bombs blow I also take the innocent, then as long as I become a statesmen and bring people together, then the killing of the innocent is forgiven and justified. Even conservatives, like Mark Levin, have recently praised Mandela. That is unbelievable to me.

        Anyway, this is how sick these LIBBS are. Actual FACTS mean nothing to them. They admire terrorists and THUGS, as they view things from afar in their ivory towers.

    • I guess you condone the vicious policy of apartheid then? And every “thug” is black, since you are so anti pc just call him what you really think he is

      • You must be a LIB because everything you just said is pure fantasy. There is no way to logically deduce from my comment that I support apartheid, There is no way to deduce that I said every THUG is black. Pure, made up fantasy in your own mind. What I said was, and as tne article says, he killed innocent women and children and he supported others who did the same, like Ghadafi, like the Russian government, like many others. It is just a FACT, and I know LIBS like you don’t believe in FACTS, but it is a FACT that he killed the innocent for his cause. Just like the Clinton’s pardoning of FALN terrorists, LIBS can’t help themselves but to worship evil doers, like Mumia Abu-Jamal, who no doubt shot a policeman in cold blood, but who is worshipped to this day by the LIBS as some kind of folk hero. You see, FACTS don’t matter to LIBS. There is a reason for the term “sinistra”, the left, derived from the adjective “Sinistro”, sinister. This is indeed true…the lef, the LIBS, are indeed sinistet, evil, because they worship those who are evil. How did the families of the victims of the released FALN terrorists feel? How do the families of those innocents, killed by Mandela,

      • feel when they saw Mandela being worshipped as a hero. What you are saying, in effect, is that as long as someone does good in the end, then the past transgressions, the past terrorism of the innocents, can be overlooked. That is bunk. My family members have been victims of terrorists, and I will NEVER forgive them, no matter how much good they do going forward.

        Go ahead, create fantasies in your own mind. Share your fantasies with us. Make up things that are not there. Perhaps in the end you will be loved as will, if you give up your evil fantasy games, and start believing in FACTS.

        • So, Mandella should have never forgiven the transgressions
          put upon him & his people? What would you do to the people that did what they did to your family? You make no sense.

  145. I am amazed at the high hypocrisy…and the lack of knowledge regarding apartheid as to how violent the whites were…and the fact that some people believe it was during the time of slavery in the United States. Shameful. Very shameful. Such people should not be showing their ignorance by commenting.

  146. what was great about him is that he changed and became a better man…he saw and realized his shortcomings..He used forgiveness ass a tool to inspire the world and prevent a civil war. What is most inspiring to me was that transformation, possibly the most simplistically brilliant political move of his time!

  147. Poor South African whites….I truly sympathize with your hardships since you stopped oppressing the majority. You are the true victims of apartheid. I cant ser why the world doesnt acknowledge that. Maybe one day white people will get a fair opportunity for advancement in this world, just like the blacks! We can only hope. I have a dream…. lol……. you whining little greedy, lacking in any sort of perspective, cunts.

  148. WELL, makes me me happy to know he was not an “kind and cheerful Uncle Tom of SouthAfrika”, eh?? not a saint? so what? would you be in his circunstances??? whats wrong with you people???!!!!

  149. Well, in 1983 Mandela was already in prison. Do you mean to say he planned them from there? I doubt it.

    • Any organizational leader, and Mandela has proven that he was that, will put in place procedures and contingency plans to ensure that his organization continues to function in the way he/she wishes, should they not be available to do the leading.

      Simple management principles are also applied within terrorist organizations.

      • Oh this was all part of a business continuity plan?

        Perhaps you should instead focus on the fact that when he was running the show bombings were purely sabotage – pylons empty buildings, designed to kill no-one and only actually killed one the of the bombers in an accident.

      • He was such an amazing manager that he had plans in place for 20 years after he was imprisoned and people remained cohesive that long? Wow that is amazing.

      • The first incident is about 21 years after his imprisonment. So by your presumptuous guessing, he “planned” that far ahead. A lot can change in that period so how on earth would the “contengency plans” stay the same?
        I was hoping you would have some real proof that he had anything to do with the planning of the bombings from within his maximum security prison. Unfortunately you have absolutely nothing.

          • You back up your idea of his involvement by saying he was an organiSational leader, so surely he must have planned all of 21 years ahead. Not to mention adding another 5years on to his planning schedule to cover the last incident in 88. Thats 26years. I wouldn’t be suprised if you thought he could see into the future in order to help him make these calls.
            Whereas I consider the fact that he could not possibly have planned that far ahead and was held in a maximum security prison. Common sense prevails over what you think makes him responsible.
            You are utterly deluded. Bye.

          • No. I am saying that if you stand on a hilltop and p
            ush a large boulder in the direction of a town and you never do anything to stop it, you are responsible for the consequences of your actions.
            Mandela was involved in the setting up and running of a terrorist organization at a very high level. He is responsible for the actions that he set in train, even if he was incarcerated afterwards.

            May your delusions continue to keep you from the responsibilities of life on this planet.

  150. Blimey. Based on some of the tosh here, and even though I am from the ‘colonialist’ UK, I myself get to hate, maybe even HAVE to hate, the Romans, the Vikings, the Normans etc for invading our shores. Does that mean I have to go out and kill a few Italians and French people? It’s justifiable for what they put my ancestors through surely. Geez the internet really does see the scum rise to the top very quickly, like the opposite of milk 😉

    • That explains why you’re prevalent.
      Something that ended far within living memory can by no means be likened to the invasion of the vikings. You don’t get to hate them – you ARE them. They are as much part of your blood as whatever you would refer to as ‘real british’.

  151. I notice all the bombings where there were any casualties all seem to have mysteriously occurred whilst Nelson was in jail? The author obviously thinks we’re pretty dumb and most btl seem to be.

  152. How did Nelson Mandela run MK and orchestrate all those killings in the 1980s when he was in prison serving a life sentence? Do you have any evidence to that end? MK did a lot of bad stuff in the time period specified but from 1964 and on Mandela was kind of busy being in jail under the constant scrutiny of government security forces to be masterminding bombing campaigns. Sorry, but I call bullshit on pinning the 1980s violence on him.

  153. This article is not very accurate, somebody needs to do their homework. The acts of violence mentioned all took place in the 80’s, while Mandela was incarcerated. Not sure how these can be accredited to him, nor how it could have been mentioned at his trail, in the 60’s! I do not see the point in trying to damage the legacy of a man that wasted the best parts of his own life in jail, yet still working towards freedom and equality in South Africa! He was a giant, and deserve respect for everything he did once he became a free man, and the firsts president of the democracy in South Africa in 1994. At least give credit and honour where it is due, and let the man rest in peace!

  154. Friendly with dictators? Give me a break …. you mean like the USA, Germany, England? If that would be a sign for a corrupt and unlawful government we all have that. As long as it’s of some economical interest.

  155. I’m sorry, but point 1 is factually incorrect. Mandela was the founder of the MK, but every single attack you list took place in the 1980s. Mandela was in prison at the time, and he had no operational control over the MK. All of his communications were monitored, and he had no way of ordering or vetoing any of these attacks. You call them “his” MK terrorists, but frankly, seeing as you’re talking about an entirely different generation of people it’s rather like blaming the Mai Lai massacre on President Truman.

        • By structuring your organization so that it can continue should you be unavailable to lead it.
          Mandela was a talented man.
          He obviously did this, or as you suggesting he was too stupid to build an organization efficiently?

  156. When you colonize other people’s land, YOU put YOURSELF in danger. I think, if this is true, mandela deserves some fault,but at the same time.What would YOU people do if colonists came in and treated YOU, the ingenious as second class citizens?

    It justmight be easy to start dehumanizing them..

    • Careful where you go with that logic. You will end becoming the next Breivik. He believed he was fighting Muslim colonizers of Norway.

    • Ingenious? lmao……. How many whites have been butchered under his regime. How many blacks have been murdered by other blacks? All races were better off physically and economically under apartheid. S Africa has become a cesspool just like every other African nation….Thanks to Nelson Mandela…

  157. Im extremely ignorant on this subject so excuse me but if he was in prison during the dates of those killings, how can they be pinned on him? Please enlighten me!

      • Ok. I’m not saying he had nothing to do with it, I’m wondering how, if he did…. is there any proof that he actually gave the go ahead for the acts? I wonder how much power he had over the group whilst in a maximum security prison….

        • Did he ideologically condone those acts? If he did, it is the same as if he had given direct orders

        • Where is the evidence that I ever endorsed slavery or transported slaves or caused suffering to slave from Africa?

          Despite that utter lack of evidence, it is being suggested that, somehow, I should feel guilty about it and should suffer by making recompense.

          I never gave the go ahead for any of it, yet the feeling among the liberals and the newly liberated is that I should pay for it.

      • Ever heard of Proof? I think you may have been involved in the killings after all since we can just make things up….why not?

        • By setting up and managing the organization, he is responsible for killings carried out by that organization.

          Your argument is saying that someone who founds Al-Quaeda is in no way responsible for any of its actions, even if those actions occur after the founder is imprisoned.

          We already have proof.

          Mandela WAS instrumental in setting up and running the ANC.

          • Like I said no proof, just fuzzy logic. Who was instrumental in setting up Apartheid & what should their punishment be? Since that government body was in charge for years, is anyone that was associated with, worked for or benefitted from Apartheid responsible for murder?

          • Your argument is a straw man.

            The fact that others set up apartheid and have or have not been punished is irrelevant.

            It does not alter the fact that Mandela, his wife and his comrades were, and are, Communists, committed to the overthrow of whatever state they happen to inhabit which is not communist.
            Their violent path did not produce the result they wanted and we now see a dysfunctional state with increased rates of murder, robbery and theft, where apartheid is being continued in reverse.

            No! The man does not deserve the status of saint.

  158. Wow I didn’t realize they went the whole other direction with this issue. First blacks then whites. Where does it end? Because I don’t believe they will be able to settle in the middle for a long time. Freedom fighters will be fighting the other freedom fighters etc. etc.

  159. This was a very informative article. I just would like to add that every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future. The mere fact that the author of this article stated, “the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal.” is a great sign that he was everything a more to the people who forgave him#Mr. 300

  160. people are ignorant to what mandella did

    its not about black or white ,its about planting bombs and killing people ,he was NOT a good man

    • I think that Nelson Mandela’s acts were very much about ‘black or white’.
      His cause was the abolition of apartheid – I cannot justify his means but you cannot disconnect them from their cause.

  161. No Regime is perfect, so it’s understandable that while Mandela was a president there will be issues, especially in a country like SA.

  162. All the violent bombings happened when he was in jail. It’s not like he was there 2 or 3 years – he was there for a loooooooong time so it’s really hard to say for sure that he was really responsable for what was happening out there. Believe me, if they wanted to silence him, when he was in jail, they could have done it. We can never be 100% sure what happened there.
    I understand that he wasn’t a saint and his media image is really childish, but there are a lot of blank spots in the story. Sadly, people don’t realize it and decide to call him either a GOD or a KILLER.
    SA was in a terrible terrible place back than (not that it’s much better now). Just try to imagine being black during these times. Imagine the hatered and the opression you will suffer all the time. Oh right, you can’t do it….
    The point is, most black people would be quick to call him a Hero and discredit some of these “facts” while white people (especially the dude who goes berserk and posts the same shit all over again) would be quick to hate and not believe anything poistive about Mandela.
    Personally, I think that it’s a complex situatioan and over-analyzing “facts” is not relevant here. There are many things that we don’t know for sure and a lot of historical/ethnical context that we can’t understand.

  163. The attacks you describe occurred when Nelson Mandela was in prison ! Are you seriously telling me that the aparthied SA prison service would allow him to organise a bombing campaign from his prison cell ? There isn’t a scrap of viable evidence to support this allegation. The problem with labelling Mandela a “terrorist”, when he clearly wasn’t and then using this label to imprison both him and many other ANC leaders, is that once the you take out the leadership, all you’re left with is the mob.

    If you look at the sad corruption and incompetence that surrounds the SA administration today, consider what might have been if Nelson Mandela had never been improsoned. and had been able to successfully lead a civil rights movement throughout the sixties and had been President South Africa from the end of that decade. Just as in the United States, people of all races would have been horrified at nasty and corrupt system that was apartheid,what had been carried out against non-whites in the name of “freedom and democracy”. The resulting public aclaim fand long presidency would have meant that South Africa would have been part of the family of nations, free, multi-racial and democratic. Because that is what he stood for.

  164. The only one of these three “offences” for which he should be taken to task is being needlessly friendly with dictators. I fail to see how having a defence policy in an unstable continent qualifies you for criticism. As for the “terrorism”, as soon as he was able to stand peacefully for election, he did so and won comfortably. This, however, was not an option in 1950s South Africa, as the author is presumably aware.

  165. if you stayed in your country and left SA alone we would not be having this discussion. Since your people are evil and greedy you went to another man’s land and you got what you deserve all those Zulu’s you killed and innocent people you oppressed on their own land and you want them to say oh it is okay whitey we don’t care come take our land and riches your lucky Madiba did not nuke the whole od SA cos I would have. imprisoned him on his own turf and you have the balls to write BS. I hope a thousand flees infest your brain and that of your ancestors

      • explain European history starting way back in case you do not know about the Vikings Saxons the battle of Trafalgar the English Spanish wars the roman conquest the crusades they were all peace loving and non tribal you are the ignorant hypocrite one and your brain is infested with hate and lies

        • Yes, Europeans did it too. I never denied that.

          You seem to think that two wrongs make a right and that there is something different about it when the nations (tribes) involved are European and African.

          This is not the case, so stop your special pleading and hypocrisy.

          • Who said anything about two wrongs you are spreading untruths so I am here to debunk So it was wrong for the colonial settler’s to invade another mans country but it was also wrong for the natives to fight back. if that is the case then why did the English defend themselves against the Germans

          • You are trying to spread an idea that because Europeans invaded the territory of Africans that it was somehow more wrong than African invading the territory of Africans.

            This is disingenuous and dishonest.

            The point I am making here is that your appeals to the “wrongness” of the acts of Europeans in history are made without recognizing your own, bloody and warlike history of slavery, invasion and oppression of your neighbours.

            Unless you acknowledge that you are not pure and without blame, your special pleading that somehow it is all the fault of those nasty European, white people is utter hypocrisy.

          • dude you are grasping for words or trying to put words in my mouth . You understand your history . Let us say Africans were doing that how did that affect the Europeans did you go there to stop these conflicts. Did that justify the enslavement of Africans in their own land. what about Australia did the aborigines do something to the settlers. So you explain your point what does African fighting among themselves have to do with the advent of slavery or locking a man up on his own land for 27 years pls explain

        • Please be good enough to point out where I have told a lie.

          You seem more than content to put words into my mouth.

          I have never once asserted that it is right to invade anyone.
          I have never asserted that the Normans, Saxons, Vikings or Spanish were peace loving.

          You are suggesting that I did.

          What I am trying to establish is why you think it is a special case to condemn Europeans for doing what all peoples, INCLUDING AFRICANS, have done throughout history.

          You are resorting to special pleading and, thereby, spreading hate and lies by resorting to racial slurs and half truths.

      • Where do you think the slaves came from? They were captured by other tribesmen, sold to arabs, who sold them to slavers, who brought them to the U.S.
        And they’re still practicing human trafficking today.

        • once again another lie if you want to read real history many tribes fought against the colonial punks but did not have guns or the fire power so they were outdone look up the Queen in ANGOLA WHO FOUGHT FOR WEEKS BUT EVENTUALLY LOST. IN LAGOS WHEN THE WHITEMAN ARRIVED HE UNSEATED A KING kosoko PUT THIER OWN PUPPET IN POWER Adeniyi AND TOOK ALL THE PUPETS RIVALS AS SLAVES In Nigeria nobody had navigated the river Niger till the white man came this led to more slaves being captured from this region. If the Blackman participated it was because he had no choice so stop with the lies . how did Hong kong become Honk Kong .

  166. Amazing…I know it’s me again but people like SHUTUP&EAT makes me proud to see, there are people with brains living amongst us.

  167. hes a hero but all muslims are terrorist mendela was involved in murder kidnapping bombings.Free Palestine

  168. The point of the article: Don’t idolize him as if he were a god, because he was not.

    Recognize what he has done and move on from what more he could have done. Yet, what do people immediately do, put him on a great big pedestal and celebrate him as if he were a god. The stupidity of the human race,, never seizes to amaze me

    • I don’t care to discuss the article’s point because it is all built on false foundations. Whatever point the author is striving to put across is built on untruths. How then can the point be valid or even worth discussing?

      • So, you are saying that Mandela NEVER sanctioned terrorist acts?

        Or are you just content that two wrongs make a right?

          • Hot shot, huh?

            Unlike Mandela, I have never shot anyone.

            Unlike Mandela, I would probably have forsworn violence when offered the opportunity, had I been in his position.

            Unlike you, I do not consider 2 wrongs to make a right.

          • Unlike Mandella…you have never been any position close to anyone in that country. You’re one of those half-wits that bitches about what everyone else is doing or gets & then when something tragic or as simple as losing your job happens you are the first in line for sympathy & your share. Also,Two rights make a left. Quick tell us about your Christian values! Like forgiveness.

          • I am not a christian, dipstick. Neither am I unforgiving.
            The diffference between us seems to be that I am not prepared to grant sainthood to Mandela, not any other toerrorist who passes up the opportunity to give up violence when it is offered to him.

            2 rights are an about-face. Equivalent to 2 lefts, only far brighter.

          • Christian values, based on a book that condones and lays down rules for slavery?
            I don’t think so.

            Christian values, based on a book that gave the excuse for saying that black people were the spawn of Cain and less then human?
            I don’t think so.

      • If it’s built on false premises, it should be worth refuting. I’d like some sourced rebuttal to what the author said.

  169. if you didn’t go to another man land and oppress them then you would.t have all the trouble you have now so you have only yourself to blame stop going around the world stealing other peoples land and riches remember all the Zulu you killed because they were protecting their land

    • Assuming you are African, your comment is a little rich when one considers that the history of Africa is one of constant inter-tribal warfare with lands being stolen by violence since the beginning of history.

      You seem to be indulging in sour grapes because a bigger tribe than any of yours won more than they did.

      It does not stop, even today –

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/thousands-massacred-as-two-tribes-go-to-war-in-south-sudan-6286342.html

      • stop with the BS European history is all about war and conquests Normans invading other countries anglo saxon vikings French English war Spanish war list goes on and on so you my friend are talking BS no African country left Africa to Europe with the intent of Oppressing the people on their own land. Stop making assumptions I am British but black

  170. He never regarded himself as a saint. He was human like me and you both. Difference was his ability and push towards a forgiving and humane South Africa.
    Clearly you have missed the point, good job getting hits for your website though with writing an article which is aimed at smearing the human whose only lesson was love.
    Fucker.

    • If you say that Mandela was complicated figure who was more human than the saint he’s portrayed as, and you assert that Mandela believed the same regarding himself, then why are you saying that an article that tries to show the more complicated, human Mandela rather than the cartoonish, saintly Mandela is “smearing”?

  171. Well, after reading more and more of the feedback here I have to say at least almost 90% has some brains. This article is so true. This morning when I opened up SKY and read all their feedback of “WORLD LOST A GOD”, “WE LOST THE HERO OF OUR TIME” and all the other rubish I felt actually ill.
    I have to say one thing…as for the movie about his time “Long Walk To Freedom”…I dont want to be sarcastic, but he died at a good time!!!

  172. So America became America by criminal acts fighting the British but you call it war you exploited and killed thousands of Africans through slavery,Britain ,France the Dutch and many others proffitted but when Africans do the same to win their freedom in their own country you call it teroism not war.Too many people are two faced and blinkered humans all want freedom and a right to live by fair and just rules.What has happened may feel like rough justice but you brought most of this on yourselves by not being fair in the first place,watch Cry Freedom then complain both blacks and whites were attacked for trying to do the right thing and show the outside world what was happening.

  173. This is the BEST!!! the MOST TRUE the ….what can I say but THANK YOU for this.
    Please understand, I did vote against apartheid but unfortunately, if you kill inocents, wheter they be black, white, green pink, women, children or whatever. If they are not part of the opposition millitary then you are called something….they call you a TERRORIST.
    Thank GOD I left.
    Unfortunately it is not about the cause, it was about the ways he achieved it. When you mentioned again the burning of the people in a tyre doused in petrol I could remember it so well, it makes you sick, but what was amazing was that the world just turned a blind eye.
    Well, I am not to say where he is today, but everyone believes something, so do I.

  174. This is Crazy to think that people like you make comments like this, since you’ve uncovered the real truth behind Nelson, why not go back further. how did this struggle start. What where white skin people doing there in the first place. What resources and land was stolen in the first places, Gold and Diamonds that have made people very powerful. How many people have died in those Un-documented times.

    • Yes..the US government pepetrated many great evils up to and including war crimes against humanity. So did Mandela and the ANC. Must I REALLY remind everyone here about two wrongs not making a right? So much adolescent level “reasoning” on here…

  175. Nelson Mandela was in Prison from 1964 till 1990 and the dates mentioned above are from 1983 to 1988? please explain, I understand that maybe it was Nelson Mandela MK terrorists but can you really hold him totally responsible for the actions of a group 20 years after he was locked up? The point you are trying to make would have had a lot more validation for me if you had stated dates in which is was actively involved. Also some source material to reinforce your information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

    • Yep, no one has ever orchestrated or green lighted a crime from behind bars. (Eyeballs rolling)

      • considering he was only allowed ONE visitor a year to see him going by what you’re saying he pulled of quite a lot. I think this article is sickening and a pathetic attempt at stirring the pot…good luck with that

  176. Reading this makes me sick! and us Brits get accused for being racist left right and centre?! We are the damn minority of our own country and also the bottom of the damn hire list for the foreigner’s have priority over everything we do! Something needs to be done ASAP !

  177. As leader of the MK he was responsible for all of their terrorist actions and should have been hung as a vulgar terrorist! Good riddance!

  178. Learn from our history . Always remember that “terrorist” is a vague denomination that was meant mainly to justify international intervention and coercition everywhere nationalist organizations were trying to take over the control of national resources …Always remember that whenever someone is disturbing the existing international order, the existing international order has to make him evil to justify putting him aside of the field.
    Never forget who make “the black lists” and “the rules”. Who calls people “terrorists” ? and who really are the terrorists ? Mandela was not a terrorist . He was a nationalist fighting for its people right to use their own resources .

  179. You forget that he had to fight a terrible racist government that legalised racism and dehumanisation of the 80% black population of South Africa.
    The White’s Only government of the day was allowed to shoot and kill any black person suspected of trying to seek democracy and equality. Thousands of Blacks were killed in this way including many of their kids and family.
    They FINALLY resorted to using arms and terror to fight back. The Whites had them cornered to a point where even printing and distributing material seeking change was met with violence.
    The White Government military forces descended on a group of schoolchildren peacefully protesting about having to learn Afrikaans and opened fire on hundreds of school kids – joyfully (as seen on video footage) slaughtering them.

  180. Do you think that the military purchases might have had something to do with SA having been under sanctions from all major weapons-producing nations except Israel for the preceding years? Their military wasn’t as well equipped as you pretend.

    Mandela certainly wasn’t perfect, but accusing a man of people evil because he fought a racist regime with force is ridiculous. Judge the man by what he achieved. South Africa isn’t perfect, and neither was Mandela. But find one other man on this planet who has managed to achieve anything along the lines of what Mandela did.

  181. Thank you for shedding light on this. Keep posting more information. The truth will set us free.

  182. A countries stability is dependent on it’s ability to defend itself from tyrants who still continue to invade foreign lands and and remove it’s resources.As far as I’m concerned Mandela is not so different from your beloved 007.The only difference is he also was a professional boxer, lawyer politician and then a president of a leading Pan African State….so let’s all do each other a favour and not point fingers,Just because we need something to write about.

  183. Apartheid was the last chance for Africa. Africans can continue to cling onto the UN for welfare and say they’re advancing but they’ll always be piggybacking off of other races. Whites for money, Chinese for construction. They’re a load of hairless apes and should be exterminated! Chinese economy is killing South African businesses as we speak. Blacks in China are treated like dirt and so they should be!

  184. The whole world is mourning Mandela , from South Africa, Europe , Australia, New Zealand the US and even people in Asia are mourning him . From presidents, to politicians , from royalties, to the U.N , from celebrities to just ordinary people like us he was a great man to all of us and will never be forgotten irregardless what any of the racist may say about him , he will always be the remembered as a great man and will go down in history as a great man. RIP Mandela you will be missed greatly 🙁

    • Racists? Brilliant – lets dismiss the fact that he belonged to, LED and ENGAGED with terrorist to murder men, women and children.

      lets dismiss the FACT he plead guilty to 150+ crimes against people, property, etc.

      let dismiss the FACT that when he became President, more whites were murdered at the hands of blacks for nothing more than being white. Whites, mind you that had nothing to do with Apartheid.

      Sure honey, we will dismiss all the FACTS out of fear that super duper intelligent people as yourself will label one a racist.

      Oh No……..SMH*

      • Thank you! Him and his wife tortured many people who went against there political beliefs and they were fucking proud of that…how does that make him a good man?!

    • “The source is none other than the Human Right Commission submitted as evidence to the TRC in 1997.

      The
      statistics they proffered relate to the number of blacks killed between
      the years 1948 up to the election in 1994. The total number of blacks
      killed were 21 000. That falls quite a bit short of 30 000 but wait, it
      gets more interesting. It’s not the full story.

      The
      HRC report also makes a distinction between two periods. One from 1948
      till 1989 and the next from 1990 to the election in 1994. The number
      killed for the period from 1948 until 1989 is 7 000. A helluva lot less
      than 30 000 wouldn’t you think?

      That
      means the number killed from 1990 to 1994 which is AFTER the unbanning
      of the ANC and for all intents and purposes apartheid had ended is a
      whopping 14 000, involving mostly black on black violence between the
      ANC and the IFP and various other factions! Not whitey’s fault.

      Of
      the 14 000 killed during those 4 years, 92% of deaths were caused by
      blacks killing blacks. Only 5.6% were attributed to the Security Forces
      at the time and usually in retaliation to attacks initiated by the
      ANC/UDF that had been unbanned. Remember Ciskei? The difference in % is
      due to unknown causes.

      What
      this means is that during the apartheid reign of 41 years, 7 000 blacks
      died compared to double the amount of dead in just 4 years! Let me
      break it down yet further, 170 blacks were killed as a result of
      apartheid ANNUALLY. That’s 170 people per year! That’s the HRC figures
      people! Sounds like an insignificant number now doesn’t it? Contrast
      that with over 200 white farmers dying annually since 1994.

      More
      blacks then were killed under De Klerk’s ‘new’ anti-apartheid
      government of 4 years than in 41 years of government under full blown
      apartheid! How good was the propaganda of the anti-apartheid movement
      eh?!”….. and NO, this is not to make light of deaths of any persons,
      ever…. just pointing out the FACTS, something one does not get to
      erase or ignore because it is not politically correct.

      • To you he might have been ,but not to the rest of the world . 99% of the world thinks he was a saint , a hero, a great man and nothing you or any one can say would change that , even the flags are flying at half mast across the world, you can stomp your feet all you want but mandela will go down in history as a hero, and he will be writing in the history books as a hero

        http://ewn.co.za/2013/12/06/flags-at-half-mast-across-the-globe

      • Please DO NOT take the side of those of us arguing against idolizing Mandela. We don’t WANT you on our side. I hate ALL racism…yours at least as much as Mandela’s. Go lynch yourself you ignorant redneck.

        • nigger is a nigger is a nigger, and those like you who sit on the fence will be wiped from the earth with the mud people when the revolution begins.

    • well said Adriana…pity that there are still people out there that are out for blood even when its of those who have passed on. I totally agree with what you have said here. He was held in very high regard by many around the globe. His name and the good things he did will be talked about for generations to come. I can’t say the same about all those on here who sit behind a computer screen being all tough…good luck to you all. I for one admire Madiba, always have and always will may he RIP forever more

  185. Is this website some South African, White Nationalist, Expat website? You commenters are f__king idiots.

    • You can disagree with the other commenters’ opinions, but most of the comments provide at least some facts which is more than can be said about your comment. The irony of calling other commenters “f__king idiots” is that there’s nothing more idiotic than the ad hominem attack with no other substance.

  186. Please cite sources. Not only do you make many claims without any way to back them up, but you include a quote without any indication of its origin. While informational, none of the links proved anything. The only one which even mentioned Mandela did so to mention a donation to a children’s fund associated with his wife. If this were an academic paper, rather than a blog post, it would likely be throw in the garbage, and would be grounds for expulsion if it had been a college paper. The only way this would be acceptable if if it were primary knowledge, meaning you followed Mandela around throughout his life and collected all this information through personal eye witness reports, which is highly unlikely. That is not to say you are wrong, but there is no way to say you are correct, either; without citations, there is no way to know for sure. A simple list at the end of the post of the sources from which this information was obtain would suffice, though it is preferable that you add some sort of citation, whether through hyperlink or footnote, to point to the exact location of each fact. While negligible in blog posts of trivial nature, this post demands a bit of attention to such matters, as it is a matter of an individuals reputation, and can be considered slanderous if the claims are found to be untrue, given the weight some of them hold.

  187. There’s nothing like fact checking. Certainly there’s nothing like it in this article. Where to start? Mandela entered a plea of not guilty at the Rivonia trial, famously saying to the judge “it is not I but the government that should be in the dock.” He was, in fact, never charged with murder nor with treason. The bomb at the Jo’burg station was nothing to do with the ANC. It was planted by one John Harris, a white man and a member of the African Resistance Movement, an off-shoot of the Liberal Party (the SA party by that name). Mandela was in jail and effectively removed from the MK command structure and any strategic discussions when the attacks listed took place. He was not head of the ANC (titular or effective) at the time.
    Artistic impression 7. Technical merit 2.5.

    • Why then didn’t he condemn the killings while he was in prison if he had nothing to do with them?
      Why not say “Not in my name” and say “These atrocities must stop”? His silence spoke volumes..

      • I’ve dealt with this elsewhere: It was illegal in SA to quote Mandela (other than in court) or to publish pictures of him. He had no voice.

      • And if you’re so concerned about things that don’t stack up, please concentrate on the original article. That is full of errors.

      • Not sure how the man was supposed to “speak up” or condemn anything while he was isolated on Robin Island, with limited visitors and almost no interaction allowed with the outside world. He never claimed to be a saint, but he did show billions of people around the globe what kind of person he was when he was released from prison, and became the president of the first real democratic government in South Africa. The kind of person most people can look up to, respect, and learn from. Articles like this one can’t hurt the legacy of a man that was respected by most for his lifelong commitment working towards equality, freedom and basic human rights for all, regardless of race, gender or origin.

  188. You are blaming him for bombings that happened when he had been in prison for over twenty years.

  189. Mandela will NEVER have as much blood on his hands as the Europeans who invaded South Africa. Also I know EVERYONE has flaws. Everything he did was a REACTION to the ILLEGAL occupation of a continent/his homeland by Europeans so I can live with that. The blood he spilled (Ironically why he was in prison) does NOT come close to the amount spilled by the Illegal occupiers/ land thieves of South Africa. Pretty damn arrogant to condemn rebels for fighting against injustice. As far as being friendly with dictators…Whose primary residence is Buckingham Palace? And further more that Truth and reconciliation commission was a joke. All those lives taken and NO JUSTICE??? He needs to do some National Reflection before talking about another nation. One more statement.. Parts of the USA were still under “Jim Crow” laws and Lynchings were STILL taking place across the country around the same time they had the audacity to condemn South Africa for their Apartheid policies/laws. Lee Jenkins = Hypocrite.

    • I agree it is arrogant to condemn rebels fighting against injustice, but people are more questioning targeting innocent civilians rather than standing up against Apartheid.

      But since you support rebels attempting to reassert control over their homeland, I’d assume that should the European people rise up against their governments that forced mass immigration and multiculturalism on them without their consent, and then the European people sought to reassert dominance of their homeland and non-natives that you’d be cheering for the European nationalists, right?

    • Not so James, who is ‘profiling’ now? James, an honest person is one who considers both the good and the bad in relationship to a leaders reputation and actions. One cannot truthfully judge the legacy of a person by willfully ignoring those things that might cast one in a negative light. If Mandela cannot be judged on the basis of ALL that he has done, good and bad, then he has lost credibility and is not worthy of the adulation given him.

  190. in the end did he accept JESUS CHRIST as his LORD and SAVIOR
    HE is standing before GOD answering for everything he said and he did
    AS A CHRISTIAN IT IS NOT MY JOB TO CRITICIZE OR JUGDE !!! WE WILL SEE IF HE IS WITH ALL OF THE OTHER TYRANTS OF OUR PAST PRESENT AND OUR FUTURE
    GOD WILL EITHER GIVE OR NOT GIVE HIM GRACE & MERCY ON HIS SOUL
    ONLY GOD KNOWS
    GRACE IS GIVING HIM SOMETHING HE DOESN’T DESERVE
    MERCY ISN’T GIVING HIM WHAT HE DESERVES
    WE WILL SEE

    • Mickey
      how is that profilingI i’m stating the facts of GODS WORD IN THE BIBLE !!! GOD and only GOD will place a guilty or innocent verdict on Mr Mandela Based on what I have read and seen people loved and admired him. but we live in a world that condones such atrocities against human beings that mr Mandela was accused and convicted his own admittance. The beautiful thing about JESUS CHRIST IS that he Forgive even the vilest of humans if they will confess and repent of there Sins.
      Mickey do you have a personal relationship with JESUS CHRIST?
      IF NOT PLEASE START ONE SOONER THEN LATER AND IT’S AS EASY AS OPENING THE WORD OF GOD AND ASKING HIM TO REVEAL HIMSELF TO YOU .
      WE CAN SIT A DEBATE ALL WE WANT ABOUT WEATHER HE DESERVES THIS OR THAT, BUT IN THE END GOD WILL GIVE EACH OF US WHAT WE DESERVE BASED ON OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS SON WHO DIED ON THE CROSS

  191. […] Originally Posted by Cotton2226 Because you wrote it, you prove it…. Nelson Mandela stopped bloodshed. The right wants to portray him as a terrorist, but that is hogwash. ….. He's no saint: Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. 3 Things You Didn?t (Want To) Know About Nelson Mandela – The Backbencher […]

  192. Pray for South Africa. if the whites are forced out then its over for that nation. just like it was for the former Rhodesia.

    • Unfortunately for the U.S., there has been a mass influx of racist SA assholes since the end of apartheid. Hopefully they will die off will all the American racist assholes or maybe they can be deported back to SA with all their racist BS

      • Oh ye who knows nothing. Come to Africa, see, feel and live the truth or keep your opinions to yourself.

  193. I’d warrant the buying of military hardware is possibly about keeping the military and various vested interests involved in military contracts happy, considering the propensity for new fledgling democracies (particularly in Africa) to suffer from military coups.

    • Also there is more to defending borders than being able to see of Malawi or Mozambique if they start coming over all expansionist. At the time Mandela came to power SA’s military capacity was severely diminished after years of sanctions. This would have meant not only difficulty in resisting an attack, but also mean that things like enforcing fishing rights were becoming very difficult.

  194. Wow a government bought some defensive measures for their country. US spend something like half a trillion a year on defense.. At his trial he pleaded guilty too….Now how many of those convictions was he really guilty of? Ignorance.

  195. I don’t remember why as I was a child, but when ever he came on the news my mother would swear at the tv saying how horrible he was and hoped he died and about him killing innocent people, being a racist and so on. As I grew older and he was on the news, everyone apart from my mum would say how great he was. My question is this, is there a decent book that tells the real truth about him so I can make up my own mind ?

    • You have to dig around on the internet. Suffice to say, your mother was right.

      • That someone who calls themselves ‘uberboreanFAUSTOARYANSUPAPOWA’ can have any legitimate say on the moral values of an equal rights activist is beyond belief.

  196. clearly ur views will b a reflection of which side of the fence ur leaning toward. onlookers makes the best critics, such a pity that u lack insight because u have not been a beneficiary of his work… clearly no political acumen there 🙁

    walk a mile in our shoes to inform ur ill equipped mindset

  197. America “The BrutaL” has killed more innocent people in the name of Justice than anyone should care to research…WTF I/m not going to spend my nervous system responding to this ish…

    • If you call America “Brutal” for killing innocent people in the name of justice, then why do you consider it BS that people have reservations about the deification of Mandela if they believe he had a hand in killing innocent people?

      Your message is inconsistent.

  198. Hmmm, so what about the thousands of innocent people, many children, who were tortured to death by the apartheid regime? What about the innocents killed in bombings by the French Resistance during WWII or by the founders of Israel? We currently kill more innocent children in a couple months of drone strikes than were killed by the bombings noted above. Economic sanctions primarily impact children. Currently, thousands of children in the U.S. die of curable diseases because of our health care distribution system. I guess taking things like collateral damage a case at a time is too much thought, let’s draw a line that says state and corporate actors can do as they please, but people fighting for their own freedom are terrorists. As for taking money from dictators, so did Mother Theresa. Who was it that returned Khadafy to respectability? George W. Bush.
    Maybe the lesson to be learned is that you have to judge someone on the whole of their actions, taken in context. Not everyone is a Gandhi or a King, and Gandhi himself admitted that nonviolence would probably not work against a regime that didn’t have to answer to public opinion. A lot of whites in South Africa still don’t seem to get it that they were thieves and interlopers who still are advantaged by the system they set up, even if some farmers in the North are suffering a fate similar to that of the people they displaced. That Mandela was willing to try to break the cycle of “goes around comes around” is an awesome legacy. If anyone deserves to be on a pedestal, he does, warts and all.

    • Not a single thing you said has any bearingb on what Mandela did or did not do or how rightnor wrong it was. Your level of thinking is like a preschool child who strikes another child and when punished says “Johnny did it too, and noone punished him, so I should never get punished for anything either. Especially the last bit was ludicrous, where you try to argue that just because my country and leaders commit senseless horrid atrocities (which I do not dispute), that this somehow affects in ANY WAY how someone else should be judged for THEIR actions. If every single person on earth raped someone tomorow, and I only kicked a couple kids in the face, do I get the Nobel Prize because “hey, at least I didnt rape anyone”?

      Also..this b—s–t
      .” A lot of whites in South Africa still don’t seem to get it that they were thieves and interlopers who still are advantaged by the system they set up,”

      Sigh..THE AYSTEM WAS ALREADY IN PLACE! Also..wives and children of these farmera were/are brutally gangraped tortured and killed. If you think ANYTHING that the apartheid regime did makes this rape torture and murder ok then please be honest enough to come right out and say “yes I think rape of women and children is awesome because hey..they havebit coming” If that is your argument you are a sick sociopath who needs to be locked away from civil society. If that WASNT your point then apparently you don’t have one.

  199. Please forgive my nonchalant approach. But I think there are some things that we will just never know, and to speculate is sometimes worse. I will admit I have limited knowledge on the history of South Africa, however regardless of which race orchestrated killings on a different race or even the same race, it is still easy enough to distinguish that killing is wrong.
    Let the “world leaders” and those that feed us untruths deal with the tangled web of lies they weave. If painting a picture of Mandela as “godlike” was in fact a way to empower those that aspired to have a better life, then so be it. I don’t know the truth and I never will because that is the way the world works… Therefore I would much rather appreciate the picture that was painted of Mandela, rather than the much worse one being painted in this thread. One day our ego’s won’t control our actions and we might just all be able to get along. Hopefully that is what Mandela wanted 🙂

    • Oh VOMIT – you rather remember Mandela for the LIES you are told versus the reality of what he did, he engaged in, what he was RESPONSIBLE for?

      Jesus CHRIST, how pathetic!!!

    • Ozzie Saffa – I am a 40-something ex-South African and now Australian citizen:

      Today I don’t mourn his passing. Instead, today I think of the people he murdered. I think of them lying in their graves while for years he drank champagne and was fettered on the international stage as some kind of living god. I think of all the people who have died since he became president of South Africa. All the farmers, all the elderly, all the men, women and especially all the children, who died as a result of him being unleashed onto South Africa.

      Nelson Mandela is now in a nice hot place together with all the other murderers, dictators and terrorists who have gone before him.

      And while the brainwashed world celebrates his life and his so-called achievements, I remember that he pleaded guilty to 156 counts of public violence, including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places. Many innocent people including women and children died because of Mandela and his MK terrorists.

      For that he wasn’t hung by the neck until dead – instead he was given a life
      sentence in jail, the biggest mistake ever made by the South African judiciary. For it gave the ANC time to white-wash his history and remake Mandela into a freedom fighter. And with the help of Communists around the Western world, the reincarnation of Mandela the freedom fighter and Black activist was achieved.

      I’ll remember too that he released thousands of criminals, murderers and rapists from jail every year to celebrate his birthday while president, unleashing even more violence, chaos and death on the people of South Africa.

      I’ll remember Mandela supporting some of the worst dictatorships and human rights abusers in the world: Fidel Castro, Ghaddafi in Libya, China, Suddam Hussein in Iraq, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe….the list goes on. No one too evil to visit
      or welcome in South Africa by Mandela, yet he was celebrated as a human rights champion by the world.

      I’ll remember that over 100 000 people were murdered under Mandela’s presidency – an average of 25 000 people each year. Up from 170 a year under Apartheid (1948-1989).

      I’ll remember that in the first four years of his presidency, the South African
      currency lost 80% of its value and 2.8 million working days were lost due to
      strikes. I’ll remember that the national debt doubled under Mandela.

      Yes, I will remember the failure that the man Nelson Mandela was. Not the magical myth we’re supposed to believe in. The world may have repackaged and re-branded him, but underneath he’s still the same murdering terrorist and Communist he always was.

      He never once apologised for what he’d done and for those he murdered.

      And not that I’m celebrating his death, but all of a sudden I have a hankering for some nice chilled champagne.

      Cheers!

      http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2013/12/mandela-dead.html

    • “Some things we wil never know”

      We KNOW he countenanced the killingbof innocents and he andbhis wifebopenly encouraged racism. He himelf admitted to it. This is not “Speculation”

      .”Let those who feed us untruths deal with the tangled web of lies”

      So…let those who already deliberately deceived us continue to conteol the dialogue. Itbis unpleasant and complicated so “peace and love, all get along, lah dee dah”

      “f painting a picture of Mandela as “godlike” was in fact a way to empower those that aspired to have a better life, then so be it.”

      SO painting a muderer as a saint and lying aboutvracism and genocide is ok if it makesnpeople feel good..because hurting da wittle feewings of da widdle wacists is just tewwibuh!

      “I would much rather appreciate the picture that was painted of Mandela, rather than the much worse one”

      I’d really like to picture Hitler as a beloved statesman who loved kittens and rainbows and never hurt a fly. That ok with all you historians,not to mention Jews, gays, Romani people, disabled, etc.? I mean..like omg! Who wants to think about, like, genocide and junk. Its all, like, a bummer and stuff!

      “One day our ego’s won’t control our actions and we might just all be able to get along. Hopefully that is what Mandela wanted :)”

      Yeah..good luck with that. ANYONE who wants power over others is ALWAYS EXACTLY whobyou should NEVER trust with said power. Power corrupts..and the corrupt are aleeady the most likely to gain power. As for what Mandela “really would have wanted”? Judge by his actions and words (all facts on record and not “speculation” as you alleged, even after admitting your ignorance on the subject)and you can see he wanted power and revenge. That is all.

  200. As president of South Africa, he promoted and signed the most liberal abortion law on the continent. The left always believes that killing is the answer to every social problem.

    • Please tell us why God gives people free will? Do you think that you are allowed to pass judgement instead of God?

  201. He was as human as you and I so definitely not without a flaw but what he did in general to spread awareness of the discrimation and injustice in South Africa out ways his inperfections in my eyes… Believe me I know and am a child of war!,,

    • And what about the superior, voiceless people who worked against discrimination and injustice in South Africa without violence? Mandela did some good yes, but his resistance to South African (British) colonial rule was for selfish, monetary and leadership-seeking reasons and less about doing what’s right.

      • OK, Nthis, so Mandela rotted away in jail all that time because he just KNEW he would one day be president an get all that money and power? Right! A man who gave his life to free his people, and you smear him as a selfish despot? Nice.

    • Yea we all make mistakes, but we still didn’t blow up shopping malls, churches, train stations killing innocent people, that is not a mistake, you can’t accidentally blow up and kill dozens of people in MULTIPLE terrorist attacks…
      Things like that you plan.
      This is like saying a peron who raped a woman, but later donated to charity should be forgiven.

  202. also with respect to gadaffi… eduction( up to tertiary level was free), health care was free, there were many social programs and the oil benefitted Libyans a lot more than it does today… dictator… maybe… lets look if the us or even the uk look after its people like that

    • Healthcare was “free”. Not good healthcare and it wasn’t available to many people the government did not like. But socialists always bring up nonsense

  203. all the bombings after 1980 have little to do with mandela _he was in jail on an island – and although its true the mk was set up under mandela its first program of action was bombing strategic structures without compromising human life, there is no evidence that he sanctioned any killings…also the mk were not terrorists but freedom fighters only succumbing to the use of civilian killing as a result of the brutality of the regime they were fighting…. the so called dictators are also african leaders who gave support during the struggle… what he did do was make a deal with white south africa that handed political control over the country to the and while retaining the economic control with the white community, effectively selling out the people he promised to free….

    • “…freedom fighters only succumbing to the use of civilian killing as a result of the brutality of…”

      You are defending killing and torture of innocents because being an oppressed minority somehow absolves you of ALL TRACE of moral responsibility or basic humanity. Hmmm..I think I have heard this argument before…from every guilty white liberal in every place and time ever.

      • but what proof is there that the mk under Mandela choose civilian targets… the original plans of attack from the MK were acts of sabotage without compromising on human life… after the rivonia trial after mandela was at the hands of the state did the MK eventually succumb( with most of their leadership in jail or exile) to civilian killings

      • dude… this is africa not the USA (or wherever you from)… africans are the MAJORITY not whites… the MINORITY whites were the oppressors whilst the MAJORITY non whites were victims… you don’t know what I’m saying… but yes white south africans were not as innocent as you would like to think… they enjoyed the privileges that they were given by oppressing the MAJORITY of the country to the extend that the national government received their unyielding support… so they got what was coming to them… in my fucked up opinion anyway… also you fail to recognize my race but then again you could be from africa for all i know

  204. Every single case of terrorism in your first argument, occurred when Mandela was imprisoned, therefore how can he be responsible for them? It is true that Nelson Mandela helped to found the Umkhonto we Sizwe, which focused on strategic targets such as government communication lines, it is well known that the organisation did not show such brutality until after Mandela’s imprisonment and therefore a change in leadership.
    Secondly you list the purchases of military equipment as evidence that Mandela was some kind of bloodthirsty warmonger. No chemical or nuclear weapons. National security is a high priority for any statesman, and South Africa has as much as a right to protect themselves as any other country. We can’t all be switzerland! Buying weapons does not make you a warmonger, using them indiscriminately does.
    You mention that all of these dictators were significant contributors to the ANC. Now I ask you were the ANC under the yoke of the apartheid state, in any position to deny themselves of valuable resources they desperately needed? I think not. Therefore he can be forgiven for showing gratitude to those who helped his most virtuous cause.

    Nelson Mandela may not have been perfect, but he is far from the man you paint in this article.

    • Personally, I found the article very fact based and an appropriate warning for the time in our history. While you might understand that Mandela was not perfect, the average person cannot comprehend the idea of a less-than-perfect hero. Heroes are idolized in everything, from the toothpaste they use to the color of their shoes; and too often, those wanting to be like them, will copy every detail in their quest.

      Concerning the 150+ terrorist acts, Mandela’s guilty plea meant what it implied. He was guilty, which he wanted everyone to know. We all understand that war is horrible and leaders are forced to make hard choices, Sometimes they make the wrong ones, regardless of how many they make right. I doubt your attempts at making him a saint without mistakes truly honor him. While it is important to honor his accomplishments, one should not honor his poorly chosen methods towards achieving them. The point is, there are many, more responsible choices other than terrorism and murder; and Mandela himself greatly feared if others began to see him as a saint, they would also view his methods saintly or worse, as the only way towards achieving political goals.

      Unfortunately, many have already followed in these same footsteps and are making the same wrong choices, all on the false hope that Mandela’s way was the right way, the only way; and this is what Mandela feared the most. If we truly want to honor his memory, we should honor his wishes and admit his crimes, just as he did.

    • Mandela approved these terrorist acts of the 1980’s from his prison cell. This is a well known fact.
      Furthermore, after his release he took part in signing “Shoot the Boer, kill the farmer”. On top of that he never voiced concern for the creeping genocide on white farmers. In fact he simply ignored is.
      His saintly statesmanlike image was crafted by western media and based on a popular fashion of the oppressed hero as a flawless godlike icon.

      • how did he do it from jail…how is this a well known fact…what evidence is there … there are very few security agencies that were as effective as boss so don’t lie to yourself…. and as for the swart gevaar mentality…. your facts straight…. a higher percentage of black farm workers a killed each day, a higher percentage of black mine workers are killed each day, a higher percentage of black woman are murdered each day than white farmers you dim witted white supremest

        • shoot the boer is a slogan and a song from the udf 1980’s make the townships ungovernable campaign… he didn’t sign anything…. after his release… he kissed the boers ass…. we should start killing boere so that they have a reason to cry… you lost the war but won the peace so be happy and thank mandela for selling out the rest of us

          • Not an idiot, your name is misleading.
            You’re trying to argue your opinion against recorded facts. You really are just an idiot.

          • what recorded facts are you talking about…please I’m interested and will detract my statement if such exists … stop pulling bullshit from your ass and check these so called facts… mandela could not communicate to the outside world from prison without boss( bureau of state security) finding out…from the 1980’s he primarily communicated with boss not anti-government organizations UDM and the UDF called for his release, used him as a face to stand behind but had no communications with him.he was long time ineffective and silenced in prison before any attacks on white civilians occurred…. you can record bullshit with any other name but its still bullshit

        • lol… what good does this ignorance do you? These are literally just facts and you denounce them because of racial bias, and assume that anyone who abides by literal fact is a racist? He’s known to have lead a bombing campaign (from jail) which killed many innocent people. The MK was responsible for countless deaths… if you weren’t aware, the MK was literally founded by Mandela, with most of their actions ordered by him. You’re so incredibly blinded by what the media wants you to think of Mandela it’s actually hilarious. He inspired good change (if one can even say that Africa is in a more positive place) but to ignore actual fact in favour of asinine bias is ignorant, fallacious and simply stupid.

          • what proof is there that Mandela a high security risk, who was on a prison island under constant surveillance managed to organize and choose targets for the mk to attack… check your facts or show evidence… don’t just pull statements from you arse and call them facts… what proof is there, that from prison a man under content watch was able to co-ordinate sophisticated attacks against a very effective police state

          • dude you don’t know what you talking about, mandela was a founding member not the founder. ANC was,is and will remain much bigger than 1 man… you have no proof what so ever to say that mandela from jail organized bombings in the 80’s- 20 years after he was sentenced to life imprisonment in the rivonia trial… he could not communicate with active members of the ANC yet alone solders in the MK…the man was a high security risk prisoner on an island in a police state…. they were checking the sound of his farts to make sure there were no secret messages getting out… by the time the attacks occurred that jenkins is talking about the country was 20 years different from what Mandela even knew…no one in the south african black population had really heard from him or other ANC members… check your so called facts… do you even know south african history… i take it you think you do… you have no evidence to support your facts, and if you do i invite you to present your ‘facts’ pshhhh

        • Prove he didn’t do it from jail…..people order hits, sell drugs, engage in sex, etc all from jail. What, you can’t pay a jailer? You think they do not have paid people on the inside and out to get what they want or have what they want done taken care of?

          Please tell me you are not this naive – or ignorant?!

        • You are an idiot. Black farm worker are killed by their own people, not whites – Fact!. Black woman killed and raped are all by the hands of BLACK men. Now I suppose you will say that this is also the Whites fault. Everyone has the right to choose what they do for a living, the blacks in the mines made their choice and should you look at the actual nationality of them you will find that most are not even South African born, wake up. Get out of your safety zone….IDIOT!!!

          • yes blacks kill blacks more than blacks kill whites but,how is that a fact…i can give much more examples of whites killing whites too or even whites killing blacks. members of the AWB have and continue to committed gross violations on human rights, yes everyone has the right to choose what they do for a living but does everyone have the means, without the apartheid government where would the inbred whites like yourself be… probably begging in the streets of europe somewhere I’m betting… if its so dangerous for whites go and be beggars in europe because everything you have was stolen (african were not prepared for european invasion so it was there fault but today whites are not prepared for an african onslaught so…)

    • Switzerland is neutral, not defenseless. It has one of the most well equipped Armies in Europe, and mandatory conscription.

  205. This is so untrue. Those events he was apparently responsible for during the 80s took place whilst he was in prison. He was responsible for setting up MK, but whilst he was leader only acts of sabotage took place, where they deliberately avoided causing human harm, instead destroying property. What happened whilst he was in prison between 1963 and 1990 he can’t be held responsible for and it’s wrong to suggest otherwise.

    • Right, and NO ONE has authority from behind prisons, right? NO ONE can demand a hit job, the killing of many whilst in prison, right?

      • When you’re allowed 1 letter every 6 months and its censored by the Prison Governor It’s probably not very easy to do any detailed planning…

        • YIKES – not to be rude, but you a pretty naive if you truly believe that EVERY prisoner in EVERY prison in any country does not have a means to do things on the outside or have them done. I worry you believe this, that prisons are 100% secure and no one can or does go outside those rules.

          • Why then didn’t he condemn the killings while he was in prison if he had nothing to do with them?
            Why not say “Not in my name” and say “These atrocities must stop”? His silence was guily enough.

          • Well, Matey, Mandela was also banned in SA which meant, amongst other things, that it was illegal to quote him in the media. He could have said “I really fancy that Betsy Verwoerd” and nobody would have been able to repeat it.

    • Every human being has the potential to be as loving as Jesus Christ or as genocidal as Adolf Hitler.
      Most of us prefer to stay in a selfish gray-zone though.

      • Okay I was following your point until you added Jesus along with Hitler – please choose your loving person to a real person – and for that matter Hitler may have been loving to his special ones

        • Jesus is real idiot. Do some research. Yeshua of Nazareth is documented. That’s like saying Alexander the great wasn’t real.

        • Um, Jesus was a real person in history. Logically-speaking, it’s not necessary to believe he was the Messiah just to simply acknowledge the number of extrabiblical historical references verifying there was a man named Jesus who had followers. That’s like denying Buddha’s documented existence as a man just because you don’t believe in his teachings.

          • Any serious historian will tell you that the existence of the person known as “Jesus of Nazareth” is beyond doubt.
            What is debatable, is who that person was, and what He did.

      • That is why no one in this world will ever know your name or what you contributed to global society, your stupidity will become your downfall.

      • The story book character of Jesus Christ was stupid and ignorant. He actually believed in demonic possession! What a chump.